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From: "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com>
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The relevance of the quote was just to provide a bit of additional =
information for those looking at this thread and not wishing to take the = time
to go to the link ( most probably no one )=20
I'm still trying to figure out why we need another Flash look-a-like and = the
best rationale ( from a non-Microsoft sponsored site ) I could find = was at
the link below
http://richardleggett.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/21/reflecting_on_wpfe
This is the real tough one. How can a product that is not even yet 1.0 =
compete with a product that has been around for 10 years - they'd have = to
prise Flash from the developers' cold dead hands on the most part. = This is
key when doing the inevitable and comparing it to Flash, just = what is the
hard sell that will make me use it over Flash right now - = maybe nothing for a
lot of people at least with v1. I do see a lot of = potential in WPF/E,
however, so I should explain this... When Nintendo = released the DS and Wii,
they had to compete in a world where = Playstation and XBox owned all, they
simply could not compete in = graphical prowess and hardcore budgets, so they
didn't, they found a new = market in terms of the price point and concentrated
on their strengths, = the Wii actually re-inventing gaming. So with that
analogy in mind, you = would be crazy to battle against Flash in the
short-term, you need = something more tangible...=20
It is crystal clear that MS are targeting AJAX developers, giving them = the
tools they want without them having to learn ActionScript or Flash, = they are
also targeting to some extent two other groups. Designers are = key, the Blend
and Design tools are being made with these people in = mind, I think this is a
very tough market to grab, but competition (and = of course integration)
between the tools of the various proprietors is = to be welcomed. The final
market is quite obviously people who are = already using Windows Media Video,
particularly live streaming (i.e. the =
*other* end of the online video market). These people traditionally use =
an embedded Windows Media Player in the HTML page which is pretty awful. = I
heard someone say that if WPF/E means they can make a nice video = player for
their content, the rest is a bonus.
=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45baeda8$1@w3.nls.net...
WPF/E is a subset of WPF. This is clear if you follow the links I =
provided.
I don't see the relevance of your quote from the WPF/E mac =
download.
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:45bae8eb@w3.nls.net...
I just saw a Bill Gates Interview ( link below ) from Sept which =
seems to imply that Windows Presentation Foundation for Mac will be a = subset
of what runs under Vista. Am I in error in that assumption? I've = seen other
comments ( expecially from Flash supporters ) that claim = something similar.
=
http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=3Dbb51e92d-ed84-4f7=
8-ab48-7b69d4bce047
BG: The Mac is one of the targets that we explicitly talked about, =
so yes. Now it's not 100 percent of XAML, we need to be clear on that. = But
the portion of XAML we've picked here will be everywhere. Absolutely =
everywhere. And it has to be. You've got to have, for at least reading, = and
even some level of animation, you've got to have pervasiveness. And = will
there be multiple things that fit into that niche? Probably. = Because it's not
that hard to carry multiple...you as a user don't even = know when you're
seeing something that's WPF/E versus Flash versus = whatever. It just works.
I've pasted a portion of your Microsoft XAML Mac link below. =20
---------
"WPF/E" (codename) is a browser enhancement module that enables =
browsers to render rich content in addition to HTML. 'WPF/E" is = compatible
with both the Safari browser and Firefox 1.5.0.8 on MacOSX = 10.4.8. The Dec
2006 CTP will expire on February 18, 2007 at which point = when a web page that
uses it is rendered, it will prompt the user to = update to the latest version.
"WPF/E" (codename) will periodically ping = Microsoft.com to verify its
integrity (at which point the only = information that will be communicated will
be your IP address and the = module version).
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:45badd95$1@w3.nls.net...
Obviously bogus claims like this don't help their clearly =
biased propaganda win over anyone that isn't already biased as they are. =
Maybe these guys should have fact checked their propaganda to exclude =
all but their subjective claims that they could always spin as needed = when
questioned.
FWIW, if you want to view XAML on the Macintosh, visit =
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3D1665A00C-F7BB-=
459A-9DA2-F1DB6297277F&displaylang=3Den then http://www.msdn.com/wpfe = for
samples. =20
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:45bab1c8$1@w3.nls.net...
It said Microsoft's XAML markup language was "positioned to =
replace HTML",=20
the industry standard for publishing documents on the Internet. =
XAML would=20
be dependent on Windows, and discriminatory against systems such =
as Linux,=20
the group said.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The relevance of the quote was just to =
provide a=20
bit of additional information for those looking at this thread and =
not=20
wishing to take the time to go to the link ( most probably no one=20
) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still trying to figure out why we =
need another=20
Flash look-a-like and the best rationale ( from a non-Microsoft = sponsored
site )=20
I could find was at the link below</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://richardleggett.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/21/reflecting_=
on_wpfe">http://richardleggett.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/21/reflecting=
_on_wpfe</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>This is the real tough one. How can a product that is not even yet =
1.0=20
compete with a product that has been around for 10 years - they'd have = to
prise=20
Flash from the developers' cold dead hands on the most part. This is key =
when=20
doing the inevitable and comparing it to Flash, just what is the hard = sell
that=20
will make me use it over Flash right now - maybe nothing for a lot of = people
at=20
least with v1. I do see a lot of potential in WPF/E, however, so I = should=20
explain this... When Nintendo released the DS and Wii, they had to = compete in
a=20
world where Playstation and XBox owned all, they simply could not = compete
in=20
graphical prowess and hardcore budgets, so they didn't, they found a new =
market=20
in terms of the price point and concentrated on their strengths, the Wii =
actually re-inventing gaming. So with that analogy in mind, you would be =
crazy=20
to battle against Flash in the short-term, you need something more =
tangible...=20
</P>
<P>It is crystal clear that MS are targeting AJAX developers, giving =
them the=20
tools they want without them having to learn ActionScript or Flash, they =
are=20
also targeting to some extent two other groups. Designers are key, the = Blend
and=20
Design tools are being made with these people in mind, I think this is a =
very=20
tough market to grab, but competition (and of course integration) = between
the=20
tools of the various proprietors is to be welcomed. The final market is =
quite=20
obviously people who are already using Windows Media Video, particularly =
live=20
streaming (i.e. the *other* end of the online video market). These = people=20
traditionally use an embedded Windows Media Player in the HTML page = which
is=20
pretty awful. I heard someone say that if WPF/E means they can make a = nice
video=20
player for their content, the rest is a bonus.</P> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:45baeda8$1@w3.nls.net">news:45baeda8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> WPF/E is a subset of =
WPF. This=20
is clear if you follow the links I provided.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I don't see the =
relevance of your=20
quote from the WPF/E mac download.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich Gauszka" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:45bae8eb@w3.nls.net">news:45bae8eb@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just saw a Bill Gates Interview ( =
link below=20
) from Sept which seems to imply that Windows Presentation =
Foundation for=20
Mac will be a subset of what runs under Vista. Am I in error=20
in that assumption? I've seen other comments ( expecially =
from=20
Flash supporters ) that claim something similar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/PermaLink.aspx?guid=3Dbb51e92d-=
ed84-4f78-ab48-7b69d4bce047">http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/PermaLink.=
aspx?guid=3Dbb51e92d-ed84-4f78-ab48-7b69d4bce047</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>BG</STRONG>: The Mac is one of the targets that we =
explicitly=20
talked about, so yes. Now it's not 100 percent of XAML, we need to =
be clear=20
on that. But the portion of XAML we've picked here will be =
everywhere.=20
Absolutely everywhere. And it has to be. You've got to have, for at =
least=20
reading, and even some level of animation, you've got to have =
pervasiveness.=20
And will there be multiple things that fit into that niche? =
Probably.=20
Because it's not that hard to carry multiple...you as a user don't =
even know=20
when you're seeing something that's WPF/E versus <SPAN=20
class=3Dsearchword>Flash</SPAN> versus whatever. It just =
works.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've pasted a portion of your =
Microsoft XAML=20
Mac link below. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>---------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DdownloadInfo><A =
name=3DDescription></A><SPAN>=93WPF/E=94 (codename) is=20
a browser enhancement module that enables browsers to render rich =
content in=20
addition to HTML. =91WPF/E=94 is compatible with both the Safari =
browser and=20
Firefox 1.5.0.8 on MacOSX 10.4.8. The Dec 2006 CTP will expire on =
February=20
18, 2007 at which point when a web page that uses it is rendered, it =
will=20
prompt the user to update to the latest version. =93WPF/E=94 =
(codename) will=20
periodically ping Microsoft.com to verify its integrity (at which =
point the=20
only information that will be communicated will be your IP address =
and the=20
module version).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DdownloadInfo><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:45badd95$1@w3.nls.net">news:45badd95$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Obviously bogus =
claims like this=20
don't help their clearly biased propaganda win over anyone that =
isn't=20
already biased as they are. Maybe these guys should have =
fact=20
checked their propaganda to exclude all but their subjective =
claims that=20
they could always spin as needed when questioned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> FWIW, if you want to =
view XAML=20
on the Macintosh, visit <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3D1665A0=
0C-F7BB-459A-9DA2-F1DB6297277F&displaylang=3Den">http://www.microsoft=
.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3D1665A00C-F7BB-459A-9DA2-F1DB629727=
7F&displaylang=3Den</A> then=20
<A =
href=3D"http://www.msdn.com/wpfe">http://www.msdn.com/wpfe</A> for=20
samples. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich Gauszka" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:45bab1c8$1@w3.nls.net">news:45bab1c8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V><BR><BR><BR>It=20
said Microsoft's XAML markup language was "positioned to replace =
HTML",=20
<BR>the industry standard for publishing documents on the =
Internet. XAML=20
would <BR>be dependent on Windows, and discriminatory against =
systems=20
such as Linux, <BR>the group=20
said.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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