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Text 1736, 171 rader
Skriven 2005-01-03 10:31:38 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Usage history
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   I still disagree.  You are mixing trust in the computer and trust in =
the content viewed with the computer.  I don't trust telemarketers but I = do
not confuse that with trust of the telephone.  I'm sure you make the = latter
distinction.  Don't you make the former?  You have made plenty of = claims in
this groups that indicate that you do.

   If you think people should be afraid of folks listening in then you =
should be encouraging folks to fear their ISPs.  That is the analogous =
scenario.  Your telephone analogy is a bad one because people have been =
exploited by folks listening in on mobile phones and maybe land lines = too. 
Someone else claimed a paranoid fear of law enforcement which has = a long
history of listening to phone conversations.  Now my concerns are = very
different from yours.  I don't fear someone listening to me = communicating a
CC number or other PII.  My concern is the business to = which I communicate it
doesn't protect the information.  There are = plenty of examples of this.   Try
asking your bank if they can tell you =
which of their employees has seen your SSN and when?

Rich

  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:41d92728$1@w3.nls.net...
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:41d891c8$1@w3.nls.net...
  >>   I disagree with your conclusion and even more with the suggestion =
that
  your example supports it.  In fact your story argues against your
  conclusion.  People do trust their computers and the web sites they =
visit
  and the email they receive.  If they did not many problems these =
people
  encounter would not exist as they rely on the users trusting something =
they
  should not.<<

  That is what proves my point, I said people are learning not to trust =
their
  computers, they learn this by getting rooted or getting infected by an =
email
  attachment.

  >>   When using the Internet, of all the components to trust, the PC =
is the
  one most worthy of trust as it is the only one over  which you have =
any
  control.  Even non-techical users have control as you do not need to
  understand how things work to control them  (e.g. TV).  <<

  There is a difference between trusting a computer like you trust a =
telephone
  and trusting it like you would trust someone with your credit card. I =
have
  no problem telling a vendor my CC number over the telephone because =
it's
  unlikely someone is listening in, I do have a problem with allowing =
the
  telephone to remember my CC number because it's not a device I trust =
to be
  secure with storing that sort of information.

  Geo.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I still disagree.&nbsp; =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If you think people should =
be afraid=20
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ISPs.&nbsp; That is the analogous scenario.&nbsp; Your telephone analogy = is
a=20
bad one because people have been exploited by folks listening in on = mobile=20
phones and maybe land lines too.&nbsp; Someone else claimed a paranoid = fear
of=20
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conversations.&nbsp; Now my concerns are very different from = yours.&nbsp;
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don't fear someone listening to me communicating a CC number or other =
PII.&nbsp;=20
My concern is the business to which I communicate it doesn't protect the =

information.&nbsp; There are plenty of examples of this.&nbsp;&nbsp; Try =
asking=20
your bank if they can tell you which of their employees has seen your = SSN
and=20
when?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  in message <A=20
  =
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V>"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:41d891c8$1@w3.nls.net">news:41d891c8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I disagree with your conclusion and even more with the suggestion =
that<BR>your=20
  example supports it.&nbsp; In fact your story argues against=20
  your<BR>conclusion.&nbsp; People do trust their computers and the web =
sites=20
  they visit<BR>and the email they receive.&nbsp; If they did not many =
problems=20
  these people<BR>encounter would not exist as they rely on the users =
trusting=20
  something they<BR>should not.&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>That is what proves my =
point, I=20
  said people are learning not to trust their<BR>computers, they learn =
this by=20
  getting rooted or getting infected by an=20
  email<BR>attachment.<BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; When using the =
Internet, of=20
  all the components to trust, the PC is the<BR>one most worthy of trust =
as it=20
  is the only one over&nbsp; which you have any<BR>control.&nbsp; Even=20
  non-techical users have control as you do not need to<BR>understand =
how things=20
  work to control them&nbsp; (e.g. TV).&nbsp; &lt;&lt;<BR><BR>There is a =

  difference between trusting a computer like you trust a =
telephone<BR>and=20
  trusting it like you would trust someone with your credit card. I =
have<BR>no=20
  problem telling a vendor my CC number over the telephone because=20
  it's<BR>unlikely someone is listening in, I do have a problem with =
allowing=20
  the<BR>telephone to remember my CC number because it's not a device I =
trust to=20
  be<BR>secure with storing that sort of=20
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