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Ärende: Re: Your next PC is... a phone
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From: "Rich" <@>
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Even if you have USB 2.0 on a phone it does not make it a PC.
Solid state is faster than disk not RAM.
Of course you and your family carry phones not PCs. So what? Again, =
I believe you believe your phone is a PC replacement when you and your = family
get rid of your PCs. If you keep your PCs then you are = demonstrating that
the phone is not sufficient.
Rich
"Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com> wrote in message =
news:46542c21@w3.nls.net...
Rich wrote:
> Smartphones do not have anywhere near the I/O perf and capacity =
of=20
> PCs even those few years old.
(A) IO perf
Why fit something like :
"The ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the first applications processor =
based=20
on the ARMv7 architecture and is the highest performance, most=20
power-efficient processor ever developed by ARM. With the ability to=20
scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz, the Cortex-A8 =
processor=20
can meet the requirements for power-optimized mobile devices needing=20
operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer=20
applications requiring 2000 Dhrystone MIPS. "
if you're not going to have the IO required to feed the cpu?
RAM etc is cheap & the distances in a mobile phone are smaller.
(B) Capacity?
Mobile phones & digicams are driving solid state storage not the PC &=20
it's the PC which is moving towards the mobile phone & not the other =
way=20
around on that.
e.g.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/
""More than half of new notebooks to use Flash drives by Q4 2009,"=20
shouts the headline on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive, before =
admitting soon after that, actually, it's counting not just =
solid-state=20
drives but also regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and separate=20
caches like Intel's Turbo Memory module.
Still, it shows that non-volatile storage chips are going play an=20
increasingly important part in laptop design going forward from the=20
handful - if that - of machines available today with built-in Flash."
or:
=
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_laptops/=
"SanDisk has begun offering a 32GB solid-state drive to notebook =
makers=20
less than a week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured sub-notebook =
will=20
only contain Flash storage."
Gosh apparently even a recent Microsoft operating system even supports =
solid state storage.
> Sure I can add a memory card to my phone=20
> but I could add slow memory to PCs from years ago.=20
My my a MS person saying solid state =3D slow? So why are the vista =
people=20
so keen to boot from it?
> My PC of several=20
> years back had a terrabyte of storage.=20
Well done you. I take it this was in a mobile computer. If not then =
gosh=20
many smartphones come with USB2.0 & I can add 1 TB easily using that=20
should I wish to.
> Phones are nowhere close.=20
With USB2.0 they are exactly where the PC is.
> RAM=20
> of a phone, not flash storage, is low and usually in the tens or if=20
> lucky the hundreds of megabytes not gigabytes.=20
&? Not every OS needs gigabytes of RAM. I accept that Vista does but=20
heck not every PC has gigabytes of RAM.
In fact none of mine have over 1 Gb.
> Display size of phones=20
> is tiny.
Indeed. This is the problem I have been referring to but it is soluble =
especially if docked in some fashion.
> Human interface input limited though because perf is not an=20
> issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones such as =
mine.
> =20
> All in all, a phone makes a crappy PC.=20
A PC makes a crappy small device. Tablets haven't taken off, nor have=20
micro/sub laptops.
As the PC has found it's much easier to occupy the low ground & then=20
grow than to occupy the high ground and then try to scale down.
I very much like my
> smartphone and it is good at what it does. It doesn't do what a PC =
does=20
> nor is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone can do =
like=20
> email and web access.
> =20
Shrug. The only thing stopping that is display size. My 3G connection =
is=20
at teh moment slightly faster than my broadband though I am about to=20
upgrade my broadband speed so....
> I'll believe you believe your nonsense when you get rid of all =
the=20
> PCs you and your family have at home and use only your phones.
> =20
I know which I have with me habitually & which my family members have=20
with them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but take =
his=20
mobile phone off him & there'd be war.
I know a number of people who via bluetooth keyboards use their phones =
for all note-taking etc in meetings. Fewer & fewer are bringing =
laptops=20
unless they're doing a powerpoint style presentation.
It's down to display size. Once they have that figured out then many=20
PC'es will be replaced with smartphones.
Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Even if you have USB 2.0 =
on a phone it=20
does not make it a PC.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Solid state is faster than =
disk not=20
RAM.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Of course you and your =
family carry=20
phones not PCs. So what? Again, I believe you believe your = phone
is=20
a PC replacement when you and your family get rid of your PCs. If = you
keep=20
your PCs then you are demonstrating that the phone is not=20
sufficient.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Ad" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:46542c21@w3.nls.net">news:46542c21@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>Ri=
ch=20
wrote:<BR>> Smartphones do not have anywhere near =
the I/O=20
perf and capacity of <BR>> PCs even those few years old.<BR><BR>(A) =
IO=20
perf<BR><BR>Why fit something like :<BR><BR>"The ARM CortexTM-A8 =
processor is=20
the first applications processor based <BR>on the ARMv7 architecture =
and is=20
the highest performance, most <BR>power-efficient processor ever =
developed by=20
ARM. With the ability to <BR>scale in speed from 600MHz to greater =
than 1GHz,=20
the Cortex-A8 processor <BR>can meet the requirements for =
power-optimized=20
mobile devices needing <BR>operation in less than 300mW; and=20
performance-optimized consumer <BR>applications requiring 2000 =
Dhrystone MIPS.=20
"<BR><BR>if you're not going to have the IO required to feed the=20
cpu?<BR><BR>RAM etc is cheap & the distances in a mobile phone are =
smaller.<BR><BR>(B) Capacity?<BR><BR>Mobile phones & digicams are =
driving=20
solid state storage not the PC & <BR>it's the PC which is moving =
towards=20
the mobile phone & not the other way <BR>around on=20
that.<BR><BR>e.g.<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebook=
s/">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/</=
A><BR><BR>""More=20
than half of new notebooks to use Flash drives by Q4 2009," <BR>shouts =
the=20
headline on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive, before =
<BR>admitting soon=20
after that, actually, it's counting not just solid-state <BR>drives =
but also=20
regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and separate <BR>caches like =
Intel's=20
Turbo Memory module.<BR><BR>Still, it shows that non-volatile storage =
chips=20
are going play an <BR>increasingly important part in laptop design =
going=20
forward from the <BR>handful - if that - of machines available today =
with=20
built-in Flash."<BR><BR>or:<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_=
laptops/">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_fo=
r_laptops/</A><BR><BR>"SanDisk=20
has begun offering a 32GB solid-state drive to notebook makers =
<BR>less than a=20
week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured sub-notebook will <BR>only =
contain=20
Flash storage."<BR><BR>Gosh apparently even a recent Microsoft =
operating=20
system even supports <BR>solid state storage.<BR><BR><BR>> =
Sure I can=20
add a memory card to my phone <BR>> but I could add slow memory to =
PCs from=20
years ago. <BR><BR>My my a MS person saying solid state =3D slow? So =
why are the=20
vista people <BR>so keen to boot from it?<BR><BR><BR>> My PC of =
several=20
<BR>> years back had a terrabyte of storage. <BR><BR>Well done you. =
I take=20
it this was in a mobile computer. If not then gosh <BR>many =
smartphones come=20
with USB2.0 & I can add 1 TB easily using that <BR>should I wish=20
to.<BR><BR><BR>> Phones are nowhere close. <BR><BR>With USB2.0 they =
are=20
exactly where the PC is.<BR><BR>> RAM <BR>> of a phone, not =
flash=20
storage, is low and usually in the tens or if <BR>> lucky the =
hundreds of=20
megabytes not gigabytes. <BR><BR>&? Not every OS needs gigabytes =
of RAM. I=20
accept that Vista does but <BR>heck not every PC has gigabytes of=20
RAM.<BR><BR>In fact none of mine have over 1 Gb.<BR><BR>> Display =
size of=20
phones <BR>> is tiny.<BR><BR>Indeed. This is the problem I have =
been=20
referring to but it is soluble <BR>especially if docked in some=20
fashion.<BR><BR>> Human interface input limited though because perf =
is not=20
an <BR>> issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones =
such as=20
mine.<BR>> <BR>> All in all, a phone =
makes a=20
crappy PC. <BR><BR>A PC makes a crappy small device. Tablets haven't =
taken=20
off, nor have <BR>micro/sub laptops.<BR><BR>As the PC has found it's =
much=20
easier to occupy the low ground & then <BR>grow than to occupy the =
high=20
ground and then try to scale down.<BR><BR> I very much like =
my<BR>>=20
smartphone and it is good at what it does. It doesn't do what a =
PC does=20
<BR>> nor is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone =
can do=20
like <BR>> email and web access.<BR>> <BR><BR>Shrug. The =
only=20
thing stopping that is display size. My 3G connection is <BR>at teh =
moment=20
slightly faster than my broadband though I am about to <BR>upgrade my=20
broadband speed so....<BR><BR><BR>> I'll believe =
you=20
believe your nonsense when you get rid of all the <BR>> PCs you and =
your=20
family have at home and use only your phones.<BR>> <BR><BR>I =
know=20
which I have with me habitually & which my family members have =
<BR>with=20
them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but take his =
<BR>mobile=20
phone off him & there'd be war.<BR><BR>I know a number of people =
who via=20
bluetooth keyboards use their phones <BR>for all note-taking etc in =
meetings.=20
Fewer & fewer are bringing laptops <BR>unless they're doing a =
powerpoint=20
style presentation.<BR><BR><BR>It's down to display size. Once they =
have that=20
figured out then many <BR>PC'es will be replaced with=20
smartphones.<BR><BR>Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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