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Text 18820, 287 rader
Skriven 2007-06-16 13:34:14 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 18818 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: INFCACHE.1
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   That is why I wrote, "only on non-English systems but only noted so =
far on Swedish and Finish."  Unless rck is running a non-English system = this
has nothing to do with whatever corrupted his local cache.  The = only
reference to reinstall in all of this is rck whining how he had = resigned
himself to doing so before realizing he was wrong.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:46742df0$1@w3.nls.net...
  The kb doesn't actually say it's limited to non-English versions just =
that it's been observed in the Swedish and Finnish versions. The kb does =
imply that the patch fixes the problem so I assume that it wouldn't = require
an OS reinstallation?

  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/KB934637
  'This problem has been observed in the Swedish version and in the =
Finnish version of Windows Vista. However, the problem may occur in = other
language versions.'=20
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4674256e$1@w3.nls.net...
       "UAC and other file system protection mechanisms in Vista were =
supposed to eliminate this issue altogether by making INFCACHE.1 a = protected
OS file."

    This is bull.  The file is more protected that it was in Windows XP. =
 For example, Imn Windows Vista administrators have the same limited =
read access as non-admins.  This means UAC or elevation makes no = difference. 
Now maybe the "other file system protection mechanisms" to = which this refers
is the updated ACL which allows write access only to = the system account.  The
system account can do as it wishes.

       The article has other silly points.  It links to someone writing =
about the KB article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/KB934637 though not =
directly to this.  This article does describe an issue with potential = INF
corruption but only on non-English systems and so far noted only on = Swedish
and Finnish.   Furthermore, it has nothing to do with developers =
exploiting privilege or anything else.  It's a simple bug.

    Rich

      "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:467417b1$1@w3.nls.net...
      didn't count on developers exploiting elevated privelege?  Five =
years to=20
      ship and 10,000 people to develop and no one figured that out?

      from the same link -
      Furthermore, UAC and other file system protection mechanisms in =
Vista were=20
      supposed to eliminate this issue altogether by making INFCACHE.1 a =
protected=20
      OS file. However, what they didn't count on was developers =
exploiting the=20
      elevated privilege level of their installer routines to bypass =
those file=20
      protections - a scenario they nwo realize they need to correct for =
by=20
      replicating the functionality that was "retired" with XP (but that =
needs to=20
      be rewritten from scratch for Vista - hence the delay in the =
service pack=20
      delivery).


      "Mike N." <mike@u-spam-u-die.net> wrote in message=20
      news:6j1873hom1vdfbdtfjlakum5hegrkn9lmr@4ax.com...
      >
      > =
http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2007/06/vistas_wea=
k_lin.html
      >
      > "There's a weak link lurking under the covers of Windows Vista. =
It's the
      > collection of ".inf" and related hardware "setup" files =
collectively
      > referred to as the Windows Device Driver Store
      > ...
      > After an hour or so of playing "find the driver" with Windows I =
resigned
      > myself to having to reinstall the OS, which for me meant 2-3 =
days of
      > tweaking, tuning and application installing just to get back to =
a
      > reasonably functional level."
      >
      > "Corruption of the Driver Store by 3rd party installers is a =
known issue
      > and one they plan to address by reviving a mechanism from =
Windows XP that
      > automatically regenerates the indices if/when they're corrupted.
      > Apparently, this particular bit of code was "prematurely =
retired" with
      > Vista, a decision I think Microsoft is now regretting. In the =
meantime"
      >
      >  Wow - watch those drivers!=20


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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; That is why I wrote, "only on non-English systems but =
only=20
noted so far on Swedish and Finish."&nbsp; Unless rck is running a =
non-English=20
system this has nothing to do with whatever corrupted his local = cache.&nbsp;
The=20
only reference to&nbsp;reinstall in all of this is rck whining how he = had=20
resigned himself to doing so before realizing he was wrong.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Rich</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A title=3Dmailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A title=3Dnews:46742df0$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:46742df0$1@w3.nls.net">news:46742df0$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
  <DIV>The kb doesn't actually say it's limited to non-English versions =
just=20
  that it's been observed in the Swedish and Finnish versions. The kb =
does imply=20
  that the patch fixes the problem so I assume that it wouldn't require =
an OS=20
  reinstallation?</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><A title=3Dhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/KB934637=20
  =
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/KB934637">http://support.microsof=
t.com/kb/KB934637</A></DIV>
  <DIV>'This problem has been observed in the Swedish version and in the =
Finnish=20
  version of Windows Vista. However, the problem may occur in other =
language=20
  versions.' </DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A =
title=3Dnews:4674256e$1@w3.nls.net=20
    =
href=3D"news:4674256e$1@w3.nls.net">news:4674256e$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
    <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; "UAC and other file system protection mechanisms =
in Vista=20
    were supposed to eliminate this issue altogether by making =
INFCACHE.1 a=20
    protected OS file."</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>This is bull.&nbsp; The file is more protected that it was in =
Windows=20
    XP.&nbsp; For example, Imn Windows Vista administrators have the =
same=20
    limited read access as non-admins.&nbsp; This means UAC or=20
    elevation&nbsp;makes no difference.&nbsp; Now maybe the "other file =
system=20
    protection mechanisms" to which this refers&nbsp;is the updated ACL =
which=20
    allows write access only to the system account.&nbsp; The system =
account can=20
    do as it wishes.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; The article has other silly points.&nbsp; It links =
to=20
    someone writing about the KB article <A=20
    title=3Dhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/KB934637=20
    =
href=3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/KB934637">http://support.microsof=
t.com/kb/KB934637</A>&nbsp;though=20
    not directly to this.&nbsp; This article does describe an issue with =

    potential INF corruption but only on non-English systems and so far =
noted=20
    only on Swedish and Finnish.&nbsp;&nbsp; Furthermore, it has nothing =
to do=20
    with developers exploiting privilege or anything else.&nbsp; It's a =
simple=20
    bug.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Rich</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A =
title=3Dmailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
      wrote in message <A title=3Dnews:467417b1$1@w3.nls.net=20
      =
href=3D"news:467417b1$1@w3.nls.net">news:467417b1$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>didn't=20
      count on developers exploiting elevated privelege?&nbsp; Five =
years to=20
      <BR>ship and 10,000 people to develop and no one figured that=20
      out?<BR><BR>from the same link -<BR>Furthermore, UAC and other =
file system=20
      protection mechanisms in Vista were <BR>supposed to eliminate this =
issue=20
      altogether by making INFCACHE.1 a protected <BR>OS file. However, =
what=20
      they didn't count on was developers exploiting the <BR>elevated =
privilege=20
      level of their installer routines to bypass those file =
<BR>protections - a=20
      scenario they nwo realize they need to correct for by =
<BR>replicating the=20
      functionality that was "retired" with XP (but that needs to <BR>be =

      rewritten from scratch for Vista - hence the delay in the service =
pack=20
      <BR>delivery).<BR><BR><BR>"Mike N." &lt;<A=20
      title=3Dmailto:mike@u-spam-u-die.net=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:mike@u-spam-u-die.net">mike@u-spam-u-die.net</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
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title=3Dnews:6j1873hom1vdfbdtfjlakum5hegrkn9lmr@4ax.com=20
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href=3D"news:6j1873hom1vdfbdtfjlakum5hegrkn9lmr@4ax.com">news:6j1873hom1v=
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      <A=20
      =
title=3Dhttp://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2007/06/vi=
stas_weak_lin.html=20
      =
href=3D"http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2007/06/vi=
stas_weak_lin.html">http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archive=
s/2007/06/vistas_weak_lin.html</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
      "There's a weak link lurking under the covers of Windows Vista. =
It's=20
      the<BR>&gt; collection of ".inf" and related hardware "setup" =
files=20
      collectively<BR>&gt; referred to as the Windows Device Driver=20
      Store<BR>&gt; ...<BR>&gt; After an hour or so of playing "find the =
driver"=20
      with Windows I resigned<BR>&gt; myself to having to reinstall the =
OS,=20
      which for me meant 2-3 days of<BR>&gt; tweaking, tuning and =
application=20
      installing just to get back to a<BR>&gt; reasonably functional=20
      level."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "Corruption of the Driver Store by 3rd =
party=20
      installers is a known issue<BR>&gt; and one they plan to address =
by=20
      reviving a mechanism from Windows XP that<BR>&gt; automatically=20
      regenerates the indices if/when they're corrupted.<BR>&gt; =
Apparently,=20
      this particular bit of code was "prematurely retired" with<BR>&gt; =
Vista,=20
      a decision I think Microsoft is now regretting. In the=20
      meantime"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; Wow - watch those drivers!=20
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