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Skriven 2007-06-19 21:25:28 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Up button
=====================
From: "Rich" <@>

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   Plenty of others have commented on how this change is an improvement. =
 I would have to disagree that you like change.  You post a lot on how =
much you dislike change and very rarely on change you like.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net...
  I like change, when it makes things better.

  You need to do some tech support with people who call ISP tech =
support. Tell=20
  them to click on the third parent and they'll tell you they only have =
two=20
  parents.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net...
     Lovely reasoning which if followed would mean that nothing should =
ever=20
  change again.  Good luck with that.

     As for folks that can tell you the location currently viewed so you =
know=20
  they are three levels too deep and can count to three to click three =
times=20
  but can't click on the third parent, using the backspace is a fine =
idea.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net...
    and how does the new UI perform a quick 3 clicks on the up arrow? =
You are=20
  on
    the phone trying to tell someone who is 3 levels too deep to go up =
three
    levels and you can't read the directory names, go ahead write up a =
step by
    step that works for everyone like "click the up arrow 3 times". Oh =
wait,=20
  you
    can't do that because the words change depending on where you are..

    Sometimes consistency is a good thing. Especially if you do tech =
support.=20
  So
    now instead of click the up arrow every procedure has to be changed =
to hit
    the back space key and explain which is the backspace and which is =
the=20
  back
    arrow keys..

    Imagine what a colossal pain it would be to write a procedure like =
this if
    the backspace key didn't work in previous versions, you would need a
    different procedure for each version of windows.

    Microsoft needs to realize one of the strengths of windows is that=20
  everyone
    knows how to use it so stop changing how to use it and instead build =
on=20
  this
    huge advantage.

    Geo.

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: "Rich" <@>
    Newsgroups: homeless.barktopia.technoids
    Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:34 AM
    Subject: Re: Up button


       Horrible analogy.

       The new UI performs an up one level in a single mouse click just =
like=20
  the
    old fixed purpose button.  The new UI performs an up two levels in a =

  single
    mouse click instead of two.  The new UI performs an up three levels =
in a
    single mouse click instead of three.

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net...
      We removed the gas and brake pedals in your car, you just push =
back on=20
  the
      seat to brake and pull on the steering wheel to accelerate, we =
find this
      much more intuitive... and since pulling on the wheel increases =
with
      acceleration it's actually more efficient.

      The up arrow is probably one of the most uses buttons. It was a =
mistake=20
  to
      remove it and not even leave an option to turn it back on.

      Geo. (ever few years I have to forget everything I know about =
computers
    and
      start from scratch, why?)

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net...
         I don't get this.  The up one level button was removed because =
the
      address bar now has the ability to go up any level by clicking on =
the=20
  name
      of any component in the hierarchy.  It also has the ability to go =
to any
      child or sibling of any component by clicking on the down arrow =
before=20
  or
      after components in the heirarchy.

      Rich

        "Frank Haber" <frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com> wrote in message
      news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net...
        >there is no place to see or modify a tag so what's the point of =

  showing
      this
        >column?

        I have very limited experience with Vista Explorer, but I concur
    mightily
        about the loss of the up button in the file-pick dialogue.

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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; Plenty of others have commented on how this change is =
an=20
improvement.&nbsp; I would have to disagree that you like change.&nbsp; = You
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<DIV>Rich</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net">news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>I =
like=20
  change, when it makes things better.<BR><BR>You need to do some tech =
support=20
  with people who call ISP tech support. Tell <BR>them to click on the =
third=20
  parent and they'll tell you they only have two=20
  <BR>parents.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net">news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Lovely reasoning which if followed would mean that nothing should ever =

  <BR>change again.&nbsp; Good luck with that.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; As =
for folks=20
  that can tell you the location currently viewed so you know <BR>they =
are three=20
  levels too deep and can count to three to click three times <BR>but =
can't=20
  click on the third parent, using the backspace is a fine=20
  idea.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A =
title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net">news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  and how does the new UI perform a quick 3 clicks on the up arrow? You =
are=20
  <BR>on<BR>&nbsp; the phone trying to tell someone who is 3 levels too =
deep to=20
  go up three<BR>&nbsp; levels and you can't read the directory names, =
go ahead=20
  write up a step by<BR>&nbsp; step that works for everyone like "click =
the up=20
  arrow 3 times". Oh wait, <BR>you<BR>&nbsp; can't do that because the =
words=20
  change depending on where you are..<BR><BR>&nbsp; Sometimes =
consistency is a=20
  good thing. Especially if you do tech support. <BR>So<BR>&nbsp; now =
instead of=20
  click the up arrow every procedure has to be changed to hit<BR>&nbsp; =
the back=20
  space key and explain which is the backspace and which is the=20
  <BR>back<BR>&nbsp; arrow keys..<BR><BR>&nbsp; Imagine what a colossal =
pain it=20
  would be to write a procedure like this if<BR>&nbsp; the backspace key =
didn't=20
  work in previous versions, you would need a<BR>&nbsp; different =
procedure for=20
  each version of windows.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Microsoft needs to realize one =
of the=20
  strengths of windows is that <BR>everyone<BR>&nbsp; knows how to use =
it so=20
  stop changing how to use it and instead build on <BR>this<BR>&nbsp; =
huge=20
  advantage.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp; ----- Original Message =
-----=20
  <BR>&nbsp; From: "Rich" &lt;@&gt;<BR>&nbsp; Newsgroups:=20
  homeless.barktopia.technoids<BR>&nbsp; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 =
12:34=20
  AM<BR>&nbsp; Subject: Re: Up =
button<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Horrible analogy.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The new UI performs =
an up=20
  one level in a single mouse click just like <BR>the<BR>&nbsp; old =
fixed=20
  purpose button.&nbsp; The new UI performs an up two levels in a=20
  <BR>single<BR>&nbsp; mouse click instead of two.&nbsp; The new UI =
performs an=20
  up three levels in a<BR>&nbsp; single mouse click instead of=20
  three.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net">news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  We removed the gas and brake pedals in your car, you just push back on =

  <BR>the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; seat to brake and pull on the steering =
wheel to=20
  accelerate, we find this<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; much more intuitive... =
and=20
  since pulling on the wheel increases with<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
acceleration=20
  it's actually more efficient.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The up arrow =
is=20
  probably one of the most uses buttons. It was a mistake=20
  <BR>to<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remove it and not even leave an option to =
turn it=20
  back on.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Geo. (ever few years I have to =
forget=20
  everything I know about computers<BR>&nbsp; and<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
start=20
  from scratch, why?)<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote =
in=20
  message <A title=3Dnews:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net">news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I don't get this.&nbsp; The up one level button was removed because=20
  the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; address bar now has the ability to go up any =
level=20
  by clicking on the <BR>name<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of any component in =
the=20
  hierarchy.&nbsp; It also has the ability to go to =
any<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  child or sibling of any component by clicking on the down arrow before =

  <BR>or<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; after components in the=20
  heirarchy.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Frank Haber" &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A title=3Dnews:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net">news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;there is no place to see or modify a tag so what's the point of=20
  <BR>showing<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
this<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;column?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have very limited=20
  experience with Vista Explorer, but I concur<BR>&nbsp;=20
  mightily<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; about the loss of the up =
button in=20
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