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Skriven 2007-06-21 07:35:34 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Up button
=====================
From: "Rich" <@>

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   And here your example of the control panel is an example of something =
you don't like simply for being different. =20

   Unrelated, your IE7 example is interesting because you are describing =
a feature in IE6.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:467a51b3@w3.nls.net...
  I like new functionality as a rule. I don't like losing functionality =
as a=20
  rule.

  So for example the new task manager or when I open my computer and see =
the=20
  bar that shows how full a drive is, these are things I like. The new=20
  "personalize" window (right click the desktop) sucks as does the =
default=20
  view of control panel, those would be examples of bad change where =
it's like=20
  Microsoft forgot why windows uses icons.

  I also like IE7, it is more secure and I really like that it puts that =
line=20
  at the top to explain what it did and easily let me do something =
unsafe when=20
  it blocks something. It shows someone was thinking in that it give me=20
  protection AND the power to easily override that protection so I'm in=20
  control of the computer. This is the thinking MS needs more of.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:46797fb7@w3.nls.net...
     New things or changes?  I can't remember examples of you liking =
change.=20
  I'm sure you do have some examples but you post much more on how much =
you=20
  like things how they were with one big obsession that you don't like =
UI=20
  changes in particular.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net...
    Seems to me I've posted lots of things I like about vista.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net...
       Plenty of others have commented on how this change is an =
improvement.=20
  I
    would have to disagree that you like change.  You post a lot on how =
much=20
  you
    dislike change and very rarely on change you like.

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net...
      I like change, when it makes things better.

      You need to do some tech support with people who call ISP tech =
support.
    Tell
      them to click on the third parent and they'll tell you they only =
have=20
  two
      parents.

      Geo.

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net...
         Lovely reasoning which if followed would mean that nothing =
should=20
  ever
      change again.  Good luck with that.

         As for folks that can tell you the location currently viewed so =
you
    know
      they are three levels too deep and can count to three to click =
three=20
  times
      but can't click on the third parent, using the backspace is a fine =
idea.

      Rich

        "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message=20
  news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net...
        and how does the new UI perform a quick 3 clicks on the up =
arrow? You
    are
      on
        the phone trying to tell someone who is 3 levels too deep to go =
up=20
  three
        levels and you can't read the directory names, go ahead write up =
a=20
  step
    by
        step that works for everyone like "click the up arrow 3 times". =
Oh=20
  wait,
      you
        can't do that because the words change depending on where you =
are..

        Sometimes consistency is a good thing. Especially if you do tech
    support.
      So
        now instead of click the up arrow every procedure has to be =
changed to
    hit
        the back space key and explain which is the backspace and which =
is the
      back
        arrow keys..

        Imagine what a colossal pain it would be to write a procedure =
like=20
  this
    if
        the backspace key didn't work in previous versions, you would =
need a
        different procedure for each version of windows.

        Microsoft needs to realize one of the strengths of windows is =
that
      everyone
        knows how to use it so stop changing how to use it and instead =
build=20
  on
      this
        huge advantage.

        Geo.

        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: "Rich" <@>
        Newsgroups: homeless.barktopia.technoids
        Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:34 AM
        Subject: Re: Up button


           Horrible analogy.

           The new UI performs an up one level in a single mouse click =
just=20
  like
      the
        old fixed purpose button.  The new UI performs an up two levels =
in a
      single
        mouse click instead of two.  The new UI performs an up three =
levels in=20
  a
        single mouse click instead of three.

        Rich

          "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message
    news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net...
          We removed the gas and brake pedals in your car, you just push =
back=20
  on
      the
          seat to brake and pull on the steering wheel to accelerate, we =
find
    this
          much more intuitive... and since pulling on the wheel =
increases with
          acceleration it's actually more efficient.

          The up arrow is probably one of the most uses buttons. It was =
a
    mistake
      to
          remove it and not even leave an option to turn it back on.

          Geo. (ever few years I have to forget everything I know about
    computers
        and
          start from scratch, why?)

          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net...
             I don't get this.  The up one level button was removed =
because=20
  the
          address bar now has the ability to go up any level by clicking =
on=20
  the
      name
          of any component in the hierarchy.  It also has the ability to =
go to
    any
          child or sibling of any component by clicking on the down =
arrow=20
  before
      or
          after components in the heirarchy.

          Rich

            "Frank Haber" <frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com> wrote in message
          news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net...
            >there is no place to see or modify a tag so what's the =
point of
      showing
          this
            >column?

            I have very limited experience with Vista Explorer, but I =
concur
        mightily
            about the loss of the up button in the file-pick dialogue.

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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:467a51b3@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:467a51b3@w3.nls.net">news:467a51b3@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>I =
like=20
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  computer and see the <BR>bar that shows how full a drive is, these are =
things=20
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sucks as=20
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bad=20
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icons.<BR><BR>I=20
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line=20
  <BR>at the top to explain what it did and easily let me do something =
unsafe=20
  when <BR>it blocks something. It shows someone was thinking in that it =
give me=20
  <BR>protection AND the power to easily override that protection so I'm =
in=20
  <BR>control of the computer. This is the thinking MS needs more=20
  of.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:46797fb7@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:46797fb7@w3.nls.net">news:46797fb7@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
  New things or changes?&nbsp; I can't remember examples of you liking =
change.=20
  <BR>I'm sure you do have some examples but you post much more on how =
much you=20
  <BR>like things how they were with one big obsession that you don't =
like UI=20
  <BR>changes in particular.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net">news:4678ff6f$3@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  Seems to me I've posted lots of things I like about =
vista.<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net">news:4678ac39$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Plenty of others have commented on how this change is an improvement.=20
  <BR>I<BR>&nbsp; would have to disagree that you like change.&nbsp; You =
post a=20
  lot on how much <BR>you<BR>&nbsp; dislike change and very rarely on =
change you=20
  like.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  title=3Dnews:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net">news:4678a2b0@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I like change, when it makes things better.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
You need=20
  to do some tech support with people who call ISP tech =
support.<BR>&nbsp;=20
  Tell<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; them to click on the third parent and =
they'll tell=20
  you they only have <BR>two<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  parents.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A title=3Dnews:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net">news:4677eb73$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Lovely reasoning which if followed would mean that nothing should=20
  <BR>ever<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; change again.&nbsp; Good luck with=20
  that.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for folks that =
can tell=20
  you the location currently viewed so you<BR>&nbsp; =
know<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  they are three levels too deep and can count to three to click three=20
  <BR>times<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; but can't click on the third parent, =
using the=20
  backspace is a fine idea.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <BR><A=20
  title=3Dnews:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net">news:4677b020$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  and how does the new UI perform a quick 3 clicks on the up arrow?=20
  You<BR>&nbsp; are<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
on<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  the phone trying to tell someone who is 3 levels too deep to go up=20
  <BR>three<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; levels and you can't read =
the=20
  directory names, go ahead write up a <BR>step<BR>&nbsp;=20
  by<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; step that works for everyone like =
"click=20
  the up arrow 3 times". Oh <BR>wait,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  you<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; can't do that because the words =
change=20
  depending on where you are..<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Sometimes=20
  consistency is a good thing. Especially if you do tech<BR>&nbsp;=20
  support.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
now=20
  instead of click the up arrow every procedure has to be changed =
to<BR>&nbsp;=20
  hit<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the back space key and explain =
which is=20
  the backspace and which is the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  back<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; arrow=20
  keys..<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Imagine what a colossal =
pain it=20
  would be to write a procedure like <BR>this<BR>&nbsp;=20
  if<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the backspace key didn't work in =
previous=20
  versions, you would need a<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; different =

  procedure for each version of =
windows.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Microsoft needs to realize one of the strengths of windows is=20
  that<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; everyone<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
knows=20
  how to use it so stop changing how to use it and instead build=20
  <BR>on<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; this<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
huge=20
  advantage.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- Original Message =
-----=20
  <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: "Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Newsgroups:=20
  homeless.barktopia.technoids<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: =
Tuesday,=20
  June 19, 2007 12:34 AM<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: Re: =
Up=20
  button<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Horrible=20
  analogy.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
new UI=20
  performs an up one level in a single mouse click just=20
  <BR>like<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
old fixed=20
  purpose button.&nbsp; The new UI performs an up two levels in=20
  a<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; single<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mouse =
click=20
  instead of two.&nbsp; The new UI performs an up three levels in=20
  <BR>a<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; single mouse click instead of=20
  three.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:georger@nls.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp; <A title=3Dnews:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net">news:46774ccb$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  We removed the gas and brake pedals in your car, you just push back=20
  <BR>on<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  seat to brake and pull on the steering wheel to accelerate, we =
find<BR>&nbsp;=20
  this<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; much more =
intuitive... and=20
  since pulling on the wheel increases=20
  with<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; acceleration it's =
actually=20
  more efficient.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
up arrow=20
  is probably one of the most uses buttons. It was a<BR>&nbsp;=20
  mistake<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
to<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  remove it and not even leave an option to turn it back=20
  on.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Geo. (ever few =
years I=20
  have to forget everything I know about<BR>&nbsp;=20
  computers<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  and<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; start from scratch,=20
  why?)<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich" =
&lt;@&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A title=3Dnews:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net">news:46773c52$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I don't get this.&nbsp; The up one level button was removed because=20
  <BR>the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; address bar now =
has the=20
  ability to go up any level by clicking on =
<BR>the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  name<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of any component in =
the=20
  hierarchy.&nbsp; It also has the ability to go to<BR>&nbsp;=20
  any<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; child or sibling of =
any=20
  component by clicking on the down arrow =
<BR>before<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  or<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; after components in =
the=20
  heirarchy.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"Frank=20
  Haber" &lt;<A title=3Dmailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  title=3Dnews:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net=20
  =
href=3D"news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net">news:467693d0$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;there is no place to see or modify a tag so what's the point=20
  of<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
showing<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  this<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  =
&gt;column?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 I=20
  have very limited experience with Vista Explorer, but I=20
  concur<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  mightily<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
about the=20
  loss of the up button in the file-pick =
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