Tillbaka till svenska Fidonet
English   Information   Debug  
OS2BBS   0/787
OS2DOSBBS   0/580
OS2HW   0/42
OS2INET   0/37
OS2LAN   0/134
OS2PROG   0/36
OS2REXX   0/113
OS2USER-L   207
OS2   0/4784
OSDEBATE   0/18996
PASCAL   0/490
PERL   0/457
PHP   0/45
POINTS   0/405
POLITICS   0/29554
POL_INC   0/14731
PSION   103
R20_ADMIN   1117
R20_AMATORRADIO   0/2
R20_BEST_OF_FIDONET   13
R20_CHAT   0/893
R20_DEPP   0/3
R20_DEV   399
R20_ECHO2   1379
R20_ECHOPRES   0/35
R20_ESTAT   0/719
R20_FIDONETPROG...
...RAM.MYPOINT
  0/2
R20_FIDONETPROGRAM   0/22
R20_FIDONET   0/248
R20_FILEFIND   0/24
R20_FILEFOUND   0/22
R20_HIFI   0/3
R20_INFO2   2765
R20_INTERNET   0/12940
R20_INTRESSE   0/60
R20_INTR_KOM   0/99
R20_KANDIDAT.CHAT   42
R20_KANDIDAT   28
R20_KOM_DEV   112
R20_KONTROLL   0/13057
R20_KORSET   0/18
R20_LOKALTRAFIK   0/24
R20_MODERATOR   0/1852
R20_NC   76
R20_NET200   245
R20_NETWORK.OTH...
...ERNETS
  0/13
R20_OPERATIVSYS...
...TEM.LINUX
  0/44
R20_PROGRAMVAROR   0/1
R20_REC2NEC   534
R20_SFOSM   0/340
R20_SF   0/108
R20_SPRAK.ENGLISH   0/1
R20_SQUISH   107
R20_TEST   2
R20_WORST_OF_FIDONET   12
RAR   0/9
RA_MULTI   106
RA_UTIL   0/162
REGCON.EUR   0/2055
REGCON   0/13
SCIENCE   0/1206
SF   0/239
SHAREWARE_SUPPORT   0/5146
SHAREWRE   0/14
SIMPSONS   0/169
STATS_OLD1   0/2539.065
STATS_OLD2   0/2530
STATS_OLD3   0/2395.095
STATS_OLD4   0/1692.25
SURVIVOR   0/495
SYSOPS_CORNER   0/3
SYSOP   0/84
TAGLINES   0/112
TEAMOS2   0/4530
TECH   0/2617
TEST.444   0/105
TRAPDOOR   0/19
TREK   0/755
TUB   0/290
UFO   0/40
UNIX   0/1316
USA_EURLINK   0/102
USR_MODEMS   0/1
VATICAN   0/2740
VIETNAM_VETS   0/14
VIRUS   0/378
VIRUS_INFO   0/201
VISUAL_BASIC   0/473
WHITEHOUSE   0/5187
WIN2000   0/101
WIN32   0/30
WIN95   0/4276
WIN95_OLD1   0/70272
WINDOWS   0/1517
WWB_SYSOP   0/419
WWB_TECH   0/810
ZCC-PUBLIC   0/1
ZEC   4

 
4DOS   0/134
ABORTION   0/7
ALASKA_CHAT   0/506
ALLFIX_FILE   0/1313
ALLFIX_FILE_OLD1   0/7997
ALT_DOS   0/152
AMATEUR_RADIO   0/1039
AMIGASALE   0/14
AMIGA   0/331
AMIGA_INT   0/1
AMIGA_PROG   0/20
AMIGA_SYSOP   0/26
ANIME   0/15
ARGUS   0/924
ASCII_ART   0/340
ASIAN_LINK   0/651
ASTRONOMY   0/417
AUDIO   0/92
AUTOMOBILE_RACING   0/105
BABYLON5   0/17862
BAG   135
BATPOWER   0/361
BBBS.ENGLISH   0/382
BBSLAW   0/109
BBS_ADS   0/5290
BBS_INTERNET   0/507
BIBLE   0/3563
BINKD   0/1119
BINKLEY   0/215
BLUEWAVE   0/2173
CABLE_MODEMS   0/25
CBM   0/46
CDRECORD   0/66
CDROM   0/20
CLASSIC_COMPUTER   0/378
COMICS   0/15
CONSPRCY   0/899
COOKING   28319
COOKING_OLD1   0/24719
COOKING_OLD2   0/40862
COOKING_OLD3   0/37489
COOKING_OLD4   0/35496
COOKING_OLD5   9370
C_ECHO   0/189
C_PLUSPLUS   0/31
DIRTY_DOZEN   0/201
DOORGAMES   0/2008
DOS_INTERNET   0/196
duplikat   6000
ECHOLIST   0/18295
EC_SUPPORT   0/318
ELECTRONICS   0/359
ELEKTRONIK.GER   1534
ENET.LINGUISTIC   0/13
ENET.POLITICS   0/4
ENET.SOFT   0/11701
ENET.SYSOP   33804
ENET.TALKS   0/32
ENGLISH_TUTOR   0/2000
EVOLUTION   0/1335
FDECHO   0/217
FDN_ANNOUNCE   0/7068
FIDONEWS   23526
FIDONEWS_OLD1   0/49742
FIDONEWS_OLD2   0/35949
FIDONEWS_OLD3   0/30874
FIDONEWS_OLD4   0/37224
FIDO_SYSOP   12841
FIDO_UTIL   0/180
FILEFIND   0/209
FILEGATE   0/212
FILM   0/18
FNEWS_PUBLISH   4186
FN_SYSOP   41525
FN_SYSOP_OLD1   71952
FTP_FIDO   0/2
FTSC_PUBLIC   0/13572
FUNNY   0/4886
GENEALOGY.EUR   0/71
GET_INFO   105
GOLDED   0/408
HAM   0/16052
HOLYSMOKE   0/6791
HOT_SITES   0/1
HTMLEDIT   0/71
HUB203   466
HUB_100   264
HUB_400   39
HUMOR   0/29
IC   0/2851
INTERNET   0/424
INTERUSER   0/3
IP_CONNECT   719
JAMNNTPD   0/233
JAMTLAND   0/47
KATTY_KORNER   0/41
LAN   0/16
LINUX-USER   0/19
LINUXHELP   0/1155
LINUX   0/22010
LINUX_BBS   0/957
mail   18.68
mail_fore_ok   249
MENSA   0/341
MODERATOR   0/102
MONTE   0/992
MOSCOW_OKLAHOMA   0/1245
MUFFIN   0/783
MUSIC   0/321
N203_STAT   898
N203_SYSCHAT   313
NET203   321
NET204   69
NET_DEV   0/10
NORD.ADMIN   0/101
NORD.CHAT   0/2572
NORD.FIDONET   189
NORD.HARDWARE   0/28
NORD.KULTUR   0/114
NORD.PROG   0/32
NORD.SOFTWARE   0/88
NORD.TEKNIK   0/58
NORD   0/453
OCCULT_CHAT   0/93
Möte OSDEBATE, 18996 texter
 lista första sista föregående nästa
Text 2398, 185 rader
Skriven 2005-02-06 20:06:04 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 2394 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
==========================================
From: "Rich" <@>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0AD7_01C50C87.495EB930
Content-Type: text/plain;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

   DRM as you are using it is misnomer.  Macrovison protection is DRM by =
the definition you are using.

   I see you completely ignored the major feature mentioned first in the =
paragraph I quoted and selectively edited your quote to remove the = suggestion
that this other feature is a secondary one.  You also = switched the subject
from video, the subject of both features in the = press release, to audio for
some reason.  Your paranoia is getting the = best of you.  You even ignore your
own point that you can record the = audio output if you wish.  I can't even
guess what it is you are trying = to get people to believe but I'm pretty sure
that it bears little = relation to anything Macrovision's product does or the
benefits of = finally allowing the PC to participate with content that today it
is = precluded from supporting.

   It should come as no surprise to you that your posts here are similar =
to your's on other discussions of what entitlements you should have to = the
work of others.  Your paranoia has gotten so great that you see = people out to
get you and deny you something to which you feel entitled = in every corner. 
You don't even question your feeling of entitlement = any more.

Rich

  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:4206ba46$1@w3.nls.net...
  As DRM increasingly restricts what users can do with digital data, the
  analog domain remains one way around the problem. In the case of =
audio, for
  instance, digital data ultimate has to be converted into an audio =
sound wave
  which can be recorded and re-encoded without the limitations of the =
DRM'd
  original. MS is aware of this and is clearly hoping to use Macrovision
  technology to help block that avenue too.
  "An Internet-delivered movie, downloaded to a PC, can now be protected =
on
  analog video playback out of a PC," the two companies claimed.

  I don't know Rich, that seems pretty clear to me.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42050dd6@w3.nls.net...
  >>   I think it is the opposite of what you are claiming.  The intent =
is to
  allow content already protected by Macrovision and allow it to be used =
where
  the Macrovision protection prevents it from being used today.  It also
  enables content providers that use Macrovision for their content to =
also
  distribute this content over the Internet to a PC which they can not =
do
  today.  This is clear from the following from
  =
http://www.macrovision.com/company/news/press/newsdetail.jsp?id=3DTue%20F=
eb%2001%2008:22:03%20PST%202005

  Under the agreement, Microsoft's Windows Media DRM technologies will
  "recognize" the Macrovision signals, enabling temporary storage (time
  shifting) on digital devices of Macrovision-protected content received =
via
  analog interfaces. Additionally, an Internet-delivered movie, =
downloaded to
  a PC, can now be protected on analog video playback out of a PC.

  Rich<<



------=_NextPart_000_0AD7_01C50C87.495EB930
Content-Type: text/html;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.3790.1289" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; DRM as you are using it=20
is&nbsp;misnomer.&nbsp; Macrovison protection is DRM by the definition = you
are=20
using.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I see you completely =
ignored the major=20
feature mentioned first in the paragraph I quoted and selectively edited =
your=20
quote to remove the suggestion that this other feature is a secondary =
one.&nbsp;=20
You also switched the subject from video, the subject of both features = in
the=20
press release, to audio for some reason.&nbsp; Your paranoia is getting = the
best=20
of you.&nbsp; You even ignore your own point that you can record the = audio=20
output if you wish.&nbsp; I can't even guess what it is you are trying = to
get=20
people to believe but I'm pretty sure that it bears little relation to =
anything=20
Macrovision's product does or the benefits of finally allowing the PC to =

participate with content that today it is precluded from=20
supporting.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It should come as no =
surprise to you=20
that your posts here are similar to your's on other discussions of what=20
entitlements you should have to the&nbsp;work of others.&nbsp; Your = paranoia
has=20
gotten so great that you see people out to get you and deny you = something
to=20
which you feel entitled in every corner.&nbsp; You don't even question =
your=20
feeling of&nbsp;entitlement any more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4206ba46$1@w3.nls.net">news:4206ba46$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>As=20
  DRM increasingly restricts what users can do with digital data, =
the<BR>analog=20
  domain remains one way around the problem. In the case of audio,=20
  for<BR>instance, digital data ultimate has to be converted into an =
audio sound=20
  wave<BR>which can be recorded and re-encoded without the limitations =
of the=20
  DRM'd<BR>original. MS is aware of this and is clearly hoping to use=20
  Macrovision<BR>technology to help block that avenue too.<BR>"An=20
  Internet-delivered movie, downloaded to a PC, can now be protected=20
  on<BR>analog video playback out of a PC," the two companies =
claimed.<BR><BR>I=20
  don't know Rich, that seems pretty clear to =
me.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42050dd6@w3.nls.net">news:42050dd6@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I think it is the opposite of what you are claiming.&nbsp; The intent =
is=20
  to<BR>allow content already protected by Macrovision and allow it to =
be used=20
  where<BR>the Macrovision protection prevents it from being used =
today.&nbsp;=20
  It also<BR>enables content providers that use Macrovision for their =
content to=20
  also<BR>distribute this content over the Internet to a PC which they =
can not=20
  do<BR>today.&nbsp; This is clear from the following from<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.macrovision.com/company/news/press/newsdetail.jsp?id=3D=
Tue%20Feb%2001%2008:22:03%20PST%202005">http://www.macrovision.com/compan=
y/news/press/newsdetail.jsp?id=3DTue%20Feb%2001%2008:22:03%20PST%202005</=
A><BR><BR>Under=20
  the agreement, Microsoft's Windows Media DRM technologies =
will<BR>"recognize"=20
  the Macrovision signals, enabling temporary storage (time<BR>shifting) =
on=20
  digital devices of Macrovision-protected content received =
via<BR>analog=20
  interfaces. Additionally, an Internet-delivered movie, downloaded =
to<BR>a PC,=20
  can now be protected on analog video playback out of a=20
  PC.<BR><BR>Rich&lt;&lt;<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0AD7_01C50C87.495EB930--

--- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5
 * Origin: Barktopia BBS Site http://HarborWebs.com:8081 (1:379/45)