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Text 2480, 197 rader
Skriven 2005-02-11 09:21:56 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 2477 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Legal world wide is not a humor.  It's funny that you think it would =
be.

Rich
=20
  "Adam Flinton" <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message =
news:420c8318$1@w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:

  >    You didn't answer the question asked.  Sure, if you have a video=20
  > capture device that ignores or strips macrovision then as far as=20
  > software is concerned it simply doesn't exist and any software would =

  > support it.  The question asked though was whether there was free=20
  > software that supported the case when macrovision protected content =
is=20
  > presented to the software.
  > =20

  Show me some PC hardware which does present the pulses etc to the=20
  software. None of my PCI TV cards do this.

  So is MS going to make it part of being "Windows friendly hardware" =
that=20
  if you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report macrovision?

  Why would a TV card maker put Automatic Gain Control into a TV Card? =
No=20
  TV'es come with it (otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) so why =

  would TV card makers?


  >    You also didn't ask the second question asked.  Is this supported =

  > legally?

  OK in your bizarre land, AGC must be built into any device which is a=20
  analog recording device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty of a =
PC=20
  in that a TV card can simply be used to watch TV or record.

  Imagine just for a laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all =
TV'es,=20
  that would be a marvellous way of killing Macrovision.

  Any TV card maker which put AGC into it's TV cards would see it's =
sales=20
  fall off a cliff because people would chuck their VHS into the player =
&=20
  turn on their TV watching program, hit play on their VHS &........oh=20
  look at the quality of that "good".

  >  Please don't answer that there is some jurisdiction somewhere=20
  > with whatever rules.  Let's make it simple for you.  Legally world =
wide.
  >

  I know you may not get out of the states much but are you cognisant of =

  the concept of "sovereignty". Assuming you are, I assume "Legally =
world=20
  wide" was some sort of attempt at humour.

  A can of beer is not legal world wide. A can of coke is not legal =
world=20
  wide.

  American beef is not legal world wide.

  Microsoft Windows itself is not legal world wide (how are the sales =
into=20
  North Korea?).

  All that matters is the economic power of the countries/groups of=20
  countries (e.g. the EU) & what their laws are & how much you want to=20
  sell into that market. As it is the US market is now smaller than the =
EU=20
  one & is vastly smaller than the "World less the US" one.

  Why do you think most DVD players are now "region free" (at least=20
  outside of the US)? Coz we're a bigger market & we don't want region=20
  encoding?

  Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Legal world wide is not a=20
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  <DIV>"Adam Flinton" &lt;<A=20
  =
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&gt;=20
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  =
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V>Rich=20
  wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You didn't answer the question=20
  asked.&nbsp; Sure, if you have a video <BR>&gt; capture device that =
ignores or=20
  strips macrovision then as far as <BR>&gt; software is concerned it =
simply=20
  doesn't exist and any software would <BR>&gt; support it.&nbsp; The =
question=20
  asked though was whether there was free <BR>&gt; software that =
supported the=20
  case when macrovision protected content is <BR>&gt; presented to the=20
  software.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Show me some PC hardware which does =
present=20
  the pulses etc to the <BR>software. None of my PCI TV cards do =
this.<BR><BR>So=20
  is MS going to make it part of being "Windows friendly hardware" that =
<BR>if=20
  you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report =
macrovision?<BR><BR>Why=20
  would a TV card maker put Automatic Gain Control into a TV Card? No =
<BR>TV'es=20
  come with it (otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) so why =
<BR>would TV=20
  card makers?<BR><BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You also didn't ask the =
second=20
  question asked.&nbsp; Is this supported <BR>&gt; legally?<BR><BR>OK in =
your=20
  bizarre land, AGC must be built into any device which is a <BR>analog=20
  recording device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty of a PC =
<BR>in that a=20
  TV card can simply be used to watch TV or record.<BR><BR>Imagine just =
for a=20
  laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all TV'es, <BR>that would be =
a=20
  marvellous way of killing Macrovision.<BR><BR>Any TV card maker which =
put AGC=20
  into it's TV cards would see it's sales <BR>fall off a cliff because =
people=20
  would chuck their VHS into the player &amp; <BR>turn on their TV =
watching=20
  program, hit play on their VHS &amp;........oh <BR>look at the quality =
of that=20
  "good".<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp; Please don't answer that there is some =
jurisdiction=20
  somewhere <BR>&gt; with whatever rules.&nbsp; Let's make it simple for =

  you.&nbsp; Legally world wide.<BR>&gt;<BR><BR>I know you may not get =
out of=20
  the states much but are you cognisant of <BR>the concept of =
"sovereignty".=20
  Assuming you are, I assume "Legally world <BR>wide" was some sort of =
attempt=20
  at humour.<BR><BR>A can of beer is not legal world wide. A can of coke =
is not=20
  legal world <BR>wide.<BR><BR>American beef is not legal world=20
  wide.<BR><BR>Microsoft Windows itself is not legal world wide (how are =
the=20
  sales into <BR>North Korea?).<BR><BR>All that matters is the economic =
power of=20
  the countries/groups of <BR>countries (e.g. the EU) &amp; what their =
laws are=20
  &amp; how much you want to <BR>sell into that market. As it is the US =
market=20
  is now smaller than the EU <BR>one &amp; is vastly smaller than the =
"World=20
  less the US" one.<BR><BR>Why do you think most DVD players are now =
"region=20
  free" (at least <BR>outside of the US)? Coz we're a bigger market =
&amp; we=20
  don't want region <BR>encoding?<BR><BR>Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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