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Text 2498, 284 rader
Skriven 2005-02-12 08:57:40 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 2490 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   I am not familiar with North Korean law.  Are you?

Rich

  "Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message =
news:420dcbc0$1@w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    Legal world wide is not a humor.  It's funny that you think it =
would be.
  > =20

  Nope, it is a humour.

  Is windows a legal good in North Korea?

  Adam

  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Adam Flinton" <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com
  >     <mailto:adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com>> wrote in message
  >     news:420c8318$1@w3.nls.net...
  >     Rich wrote:
  >=20
  >      >    You didn't answer the question asked.  Sure, if you have a =
video
  >      > capture device that ignores or strips macrovision then as far =
as
  >      > software is concerned it simply doesn't exist and any =
software would
  >      > support it.  The question asked though was whether there was =
free
  >      > software that supported the case when macrovision protected
  >     content is
  >      > presented to the software.
  >      >=20
  >=20
  >     Show me some PC hardware which does present the pulses etc to =
the
  >     software. None of my PCI TV cards do this.
  >=20
  >     So is MS going to make it part of being "Windows friendly =
hardware"
  >     that
  >     if you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report =
macrovision?
  >=20
  >     Why would a TV card maker put Automatic Gain Control into a TV =
Card? No
  >     TV'es come with it (otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) =
so why
  >     would TV card makers?
  >=20
  >=20
  >      >    You also didn't ask the second question asked.  Is this =
supported
  >      > legally?
  >=20
  >     OK in your bizarre land, AGC must be built into any device which =
is a
  >     analog recording device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty =
of a PC
  >     in that a TV card can simply be used to watch TV or record.
  >=20
  >     Imagine just for a laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all =
TV'es,
  >     that would be a marvellous way of killing Macrovision.
  >=20
  >     Any TV card maker which put AGC into it's TV cards would see =
it's sales
  >     fall off a cliff because people would chuck their VHS into the =
player &
  >     turn on their TV watching program, hit play on their VHS =
&........oh
  >     look at the quality of that "good".
  >=20
  >      >  Please don't answer that there is some jurisdiction =
somewhere
  >      > with whatever rules.  Let's make it simple for you.  Legally
  >     world wide.
  >      >
  >=20
  >     I know you may not get out of the states much but are you =
cognisant of
  >     the concept of "sovereignty". Assuming you are, I assume =
"Legally world
  >     wide" was some sort of attempt at humour.
  >=20
  >     A can of beer is not legal world wide. A can of coke is not =
legal world
  >     wide.
  >=20
  >     American beef is not legal world wide.
  >=20
  >     Microsoft Windows itself is not legal world wide (how are the =
sales
  >     into
  >     North Korea?).
  >=20
  >     All that matters is the economic power of the countries/groups =
of
  >     countries (e.g. the EU) & what their laws are & how much you =
want to
  >     sell into that market. As it is the US market is now smaller =
than
  >     the EU
  >     one & is vastly smaller than the "World less the US" one.
  >=20
  >     Why do you think most DVD players are now "region free" (at =
least
  >     outside of the US)? Coz we're a bigger market & we don't want =
region
  >     encoding?
  >=20
  >     Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I am not familiar with =
North Korean=20
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  <DIV>"Adam Flinton" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:420dcbc0$1@w3.nls.net">news:420dcbc0$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Rich=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Legal world wide is not a =
humor.&nbsp; It's=20
  funny that you think it would be.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>Nope, it is a=20
  humour.<BR><BR>Is windows a legal good in North =
Korea?<BR><BR>Adam<BR><BR>&gt;=20
  Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Adam =
Flinton"=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com">adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com</A>=
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com">mailto:adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.=
com</A>&gt;&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:420c8318$1@w3.nls.net">news:420c8318$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You didn't answer the question asked.&nbsp; =
Sure, if=20
  you have a video<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; capture =
device=20
  that ignores or strips macrovision then as far=20
  as<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; software is concerned it =
simply=20
  doesn't exist and any software =
would<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt; support it.&nbsp; The question asked though was whether there was =

  free<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; software that =
supported the=20
  case when macrovision protected<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
content=20
  is<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; presented to the=20
  software.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; <BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Show me some PC hardware which does =
present=20
  the pulses etc to the<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; software. None =
of my PCI=20
  TV cards do this.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So is MS =
going to=20
  make it part of being "Windows friendly=20
  hardware"<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
that<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  if you're getting a TV stream in, the device must report =
macrovision?<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why would a TV card maker put =
Automatic Gain=20
  Control into a TV Card? No<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TV'es come =
with it=20
  (otherwise macrovision wouldn't work at all) so=20
  why<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; would TV card makers?<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You also =
didn't=20
  ask the second question asked.&nbsp; Is this=20
  supported<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; legally?<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OK in your bizarre land, AGC must be =
built=20
  into any device which is a<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; analog =
recording=20
  device (under your DCMA) but that's the beauty of a=20
  PC<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in that a TV card can simply be =
used to=20
  watch TV or record.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Imagine =
just for=20
  a laugh if you were to put AGC cicuits into all=20
  TV'es,<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that would be a marvellous way =
of=20
  killing Macrovision.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Any TV =
card=20
  maker which put AGC into it's TV cards would see it's=20
  sales<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; fall off a cliff because people =
would=20
  chuck their VHS into the player &amp;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
turn on=20
  their TV watching program, hit play on their VHS=20
  &amp;........oh<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; look at the quality of =
that=20
  "good".<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
Please don't=20
  answer that there is some jurisdiction=20
  somewhere<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; with whatever=20
  rules.&nbsp; Let's make it simple for you.&nbsp;=20
  Legally<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; world=20
  wide.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I know you may not get out of the =
states much=20
  but are you cognisant of<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the concept =
of=20
  "sovereignty". Assuming you are, I assume "Legally=20
  world<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; wide" was some sort of attempt =
at=20
  humour.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A can of beer is not =
legal=20
  world wide. A can of coke is not legal =
world<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  wide.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; American beef is not =
legal=20
  world wide.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Microsoft Windows =
itself=20
  is not legal world wide (how are the =
sales<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  into<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; North Korea?).<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; All that matters is the economic =
power of the=20
  countries/groups of<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; countries (e.g. =
the EU)=20
  &amp; what their laws are &amp; how much you want=20
  to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sell into that market. As it is the =
US=20
  market is now smaller than<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the=20
  EU<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; one &amp; is vastly smaller than =
the "World=20
  less the US" one.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why do you =
think=20
  most DVD players are now "region free" (at=20
  least<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; outside of the US)? Coz we're a =
bigger=20
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  encoding?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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