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Text 2991, 167 rader
Skriven 2005-03-08 18:50:30 av John Oellrich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 2839 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: IDE market consolidates some more...?
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From: "John Oellrich" <john@oellrich.us>

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Adam,

Sometimes you are brain dead. The native compile is Windows/586. Covers = every
Intel/AMD processor.

--=20
john

john@oellrich.us
  "Adam Flinton" <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com> wrote in message =
news:4229f6fe@w3.nls.net...
  Antti Kurenniemi wrote:
  > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
  > news:ehmh21lioou14uifabvan16to424obilai@4ax.com...
  >=20
  >>On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:54:23 +0200, "Antti Kurenniemi"
  >><NOantti@SPAManttikPLEASE.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >>>but they're both a heck of a lot slower than native apps.
  >>
  >>... just as everyone used to say that apps written in C were slower =
than
  >>apps written in native assembler language.
  >=20
  >=20
  > Yeppers.
  >

  But you write in Delphi etc & not assembler/binary so....surely all =
your=20
  apps are cripplingly slow...

  >=20
  >=20
  >>The bottom line is that Java is faster than we need
  >=20
  >=20
  > I don't agree with that.
  >=20

  MRD

  >=20
  >=20
  >>and has advantages over "native apps".
  >=20
  >=20
  > ...for the developer, not for the user.
  >=20

  Nope, for the user as well.

  >=20
  >=20
  >>For example, we write our Java apps on Windows developer
  >>boxes, and run the apps on Windows, Solaris and Linux.
  >=20
  >=20
  > ...and on each of those platforms, a native compiled app would be =
snappier=20
  > and thus better for the end user.
  >=20

  Ummm no logical reason for the "and thus better for the end user".

  & what exactly is native compiled app nowadays? for intel? For amd? =
for=20
  amd64? for intel 64? for a given chipset? for windows? for Windows XP?

  is a compiled for an i586 app native on an amd which is pretending to =
be=20
  an i586?

  Adam
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<DIV>Adam,</DIV>
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<DIV>Sometimes you are brain dead. The native compile is Windows/586. =
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every Intel/AMD processor.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>john</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Adam Flinton" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com">adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4229f6fe@w3.nls.net">news:4229f6fe@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>An=
tti=20
  Kurenniemi wrote:<BR>&gt; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message=20
  <BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:ehmh21lioou14uifabvan16to424obilai@4ax.com">news:ehmh21lioou=
14uifabvan16to424obilai@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:54:23 +0200, "Antti=20
  Kurenniemi"<BR>&gt;&gt;&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:NOantti@SPAManttikPLEASE.com">NOantti@SPAManttikPLEASE.com=
</A>&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;but they're both a heck =
of a lot=20
  slower than native apps.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;... just as everyone =
used to=20
  say that apps written in C were slower than<BR>&gt;&gt;apps written in =
native=20
  assembler language.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Yeppers.<BR>&gt;<BR><BR>But you=20
  write in Delphi etc &amp; not assembler/binary so....surely all your =
<BR>apps=20
  are cripplingly slow...<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;The bottom =
line is=20
  that Java is faster than we need<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I don't =
agree with=20
  that.<BR>&gt; <BR><BR>MRD<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt;and has =
advantages=20
  over "native apps".<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ...for the developer, =
not for=20
  the user.<BR>&gt; <BR><BR>Nope, for the user as well.<BR><BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;For example, we write our Java apps on Windows=20
  developer<BR>&gt;&gt;boxes, and run the apps on Windows, Solaris and=20
  Linux.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ...and on each of those platforms, a =
native=20
  compiled app would be snappier <BR>&gt; and thus better for the end=20
  user.<BR>&gt; <BR><BR>Ummm no logical reason for the "and thus better =
for the=20
  end user".<BR><BR>&amp; what exactly is native compiled app nowadays? =
for=20
  intel? For amd? for <BR>amd64? for intel 64? for a given chipset? for =
windows?=20
  for Windows XP?<BR><BR>is a compiled for an i586 app native on an amd =
which is=20
  pretending to be <BR>an i586?<BR><BR>Adam</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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