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Ärende: Re: Tribulations Of Installing Linux or Johnny O is right.
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From: "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com>

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OK, Spent several hours off and on trying to get MandrakeLinux 10.1 to =
install.  After trying just about every possible video choice finally = got the
install to complete and tell me congratulations I had = successfully installed
Mandrake Linux.  Gave off a deep sigh of relief = with the thought FINALLY!! 
Rebooted with excitement awaiting my first = try of Linux.  Machine goes into
the same constant reboot cycle I got = when I didn't get the install successful
message.  Took the 3 = MandrakeLinux install disks and threw them away. 
Thought, well at least = they came in this nifty DVD Type Case that holds 3
CD's one on top of = the other in safety.  This turned out to be both the best
and only good = thing about MandrakeLinux.

I sure hope nobody here owns any stock in the company that puts out this =
Mandrake crap, because that's exactly what it is.  Someday I will give = Novell
Suse Linux Desktop or Lindows a try on this same machine.=20

Gary  (at least os/2 would install with this kind of effort, not Linux = or
MandrakeLinux)
  "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message =
news:4256cd14@w3.nls.net...
  About 6 months ago I bought a magazine that came with Mandrake Linux =
10.1.  I did so to install linux just for the hell of it on an old = laptop (2
gig HD, Pentium 200 MMX, NeoMagic 2mb Video, capable of = 800x600 on LCD and
1024x768 on external monitor.)

  I know windows and dos and PC Hardware, but I know nothing about =
Linux.  Unlike when I first began installing windows or before that = OS/2, I
made no effort to study anything about how linux works and how = to install it.
 So I approaced the install as a normal uninformed = computer user.

  Plunked in the CD, but it either didn't want to install under windows =
or I didn't give it enough time.  Decided to just boot the CD and let it =
install, but this laptop won't boot any CD, even though it is supposed = to
have that capability.  A problem for me but not Linux's fault.  Made = up a dos
floppy with cdrom drivers and tried to get linux to install, = but when this
didn't work realized that Linux needs its own boot floppy = to install this
way.  Directions in a text file for creating this floppy = were VERY
incomplete.  If I wasn't familiar with dos commands I would = have never
figured out how to create the needed linux boot floppy.  The = text file said
use this command and gives and example of the command, = but the example omits
the needed full paths to the util file in question = and the image file it
takes as a command line option, and these two = files are NOT in the same
directory.  So if you type in the command as = shown in the text file it fails
every time because it can't find the = needed image file that is in and
entirely different branch of the = directory tree.

  Then in using the command to create the floppy you have to choose one =
of five file names to fill in one spot of the command.  The descriptions = of
the choices are so poorly written that you are unable to determine = for sure
which one is the real choice you are looking for.  After a = couple of wrong
guesses about which image file to use, I finally lucked = into the right one.

  Finally, reboot with floppy and CD in place and installation begins.  =
Graphics screen in high resolution comes up and I get to the first = install
screen.  Select language.  The screen is not clear as to what to = do next. 
Select other items, hit advanced or hit next.  Hitting next = causes the
install to immediately fail and the machine to reboot, so I = think maybe I
should have done something before hitting next.  Couple = more tries with
similar failures and I finally notice an error message = going by the screen so
fast you barely have time to read it, that hints = that maybe the problem is
video related.   Boot again and select =
advanced options for install, look at my choices that are video related. =
 Now the install has no problem displaying graphics to the point of that =
first screen.  It just can't figure out how to do it after that first = screen.
 Seems odd, but I play along.  Select lowres graphics install = option and
reboot.  Get to same graphics screen, now in low res, and = same error,
crash-reboot..  Ok try a different option, reboot, graphics = screen, hit next,
same error crash-reboot.  OK try text mode install.  = Finally, something works
and I get passed the first screen in text mode. =
 Next come a series of screens to choose various setup options, sadly =
some of these screens are so poorly written and documented that they are =
impossible to decipher as to what to pick.  Like a screen with at least = 50
files or programs or options, not sure which :-( ,  that is nothing = more than
a list of unintelligible names that look like a series of = random letters
thrown together with absolutely no meaning in the name, = no description of
what the thing is, does, or when it should or should = not be selected.  With
such complete lack of info, unable to decided to = select anything on the list
or not, so I just hit next and keep going.  = Install continues for about 1
hour more now.  Finally, install completes = and I start getting some screens
for configuration of various items, = like root name, server name, security
level choices, etc. etc., = absolutely NO explanation is given for any of these
items.  Nothing = NADA.  You have no clue as to whether you should fill
something in or = leave it blank.  You are given no clue as to what the
ramifications are = if do or don't fill in something or not (like root password
or user = password, etc etc).  Finally, I get to a screen that shows a summary
of = what has been configured.  I note the video has not been configured.  =
While given absolutely no clue by the install routine that anything that =
wasn't configured could be a problem or not, I decide that the video not =
being configured could be a problem.  So I select the video and hit a = button
to try and configure it.  The install immediately gives me a = screen that
correctly identifies the video card as a NeoMagic 128XD but = it asks me to
choose which resolution and color depth.  I remember I = used to run it at
1024x768 so I select that option (unfortunately I = forgot that the internal
LCD will only run at 800x600).  Computer = proceeds to lock-up, install is
trashed and I need to start over.

  Bottom line.  In some respects the install routines of Linux are not =
as good as say OS/2 around 1993.   In other ways, it is as good as OS/2 =
1993.  The almost complete lack of onscreen documentation and help files = that
can be pulled up for each of the install screens, etc. is a HUGE = drawback to
the quality of the install.  When the install crashes, it = never tells you
why.  If you don't catch something as a log entry goes = flashing by at the
bottom of the screen by accident, you have no clue = what the problem is with
the install.

  A real newbie would have never gotten past the create boot floppy part =
to even begin the install with help from someone else.

  I am going to try the install again over the weekend, but I sure hope =
linux runs a hell of a lot better than the install routine.

  Gary
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OK, Spent several hours off and on =
trying to get=20
MandrakeLinux 10.1 to install.&nbsp; After trying just about every =
possible=20
video choice finally got the install to complete and tell me = congratulations
I=20
had successfully installed Mandrake Linux.&nbsp; Gave off a deep sigh of =
relief=20
with the thought FINALLY!!&nbsp; Rebooted with excitement awaiting my = first
try=20
of Linux.&nbsp; Machine goes into the same constant reboot cycle I got = when
I=20
didn't get the install successful message.&nbsp; Took the 3 = MandrakeLinux=20
install disks and threw them away.&nbsp; Thought, well at least they = came
in=20
this nifty DVD Type Case that holds 3 CD's one on top of the other in=20
safety.&nbsp; This turned out to be both the best and only good thing =
about=20
MandrakeLinux.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I sure hope nobody here owns any stock =
in the=20
company that puts out this Mandrake crap, because that's exactly what it =

is.&nbsp; Someday I will give Novell Suse Linux Desktop or Lindows a try = on
this=20
same machine.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gary&nbsp; (at least os/2 would install =
with this=20
kind of effort, not Linux or MandrakeLinux)</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Gary Britt" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:zotu@nospamforme.com">zotu@nospamforme.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4256cd14@w3.nls.net">news:4256cd14@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>About 6 months ago I bought a =
magazine that came=20
  with Mandrake Linux 10.1.&nbsp; I did so to install linux just for the =
hell of=20
  it on an old laptop (2 gig HD, Pentium 200 MMX, NeoMagic 2mb Video, =
capable of=20
  800x600 on LCD and 1024x768 on external monitor.)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know windows and dos and PC =
Hardware, but I=20
  know nothing about Linux.&nbsp; Unlike when I first began installing =
windows=20
  or before that OS/2, I made no effort to study anything about how =
linux works=20
  and how to install it.&nbsp; So I approaced the install as a normal =
uninformed=20
  computer user.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Plunked in the CD, but it either =
didn't want to=20
  install under windows or I didn't give it enough time.&nbsp; Decided =
to just=20
  boot the CD and let it install, but this laptop won't boot any CD, =
even though=20
  it is supposed to have that capability.&nbsp; A problem for me but not =
Linux's=20
  fault.&nbsp; Made up a dos floppy with cdrom drivers and tried to get =
linux to=20
  install, but when this didn't work realized that Linux needs its own =
boot=20
  floppy to install this way.&nbsp; Directions in a text file for =
creating this=20
  floppy were VERY incomplete.&nbsp; If I wasn't familiar with dos =
commands I=20
  would have never figured out how to create the needed linux boot =
floppy.&nbsp;=20
  The text file said use this command and gives and example of the =
command, but=20
  the example omits the needed full paths to the util file in question =
and the=20
  image file it takes as a command line option, and these two files are =
NOT in=20
  the same directory.&nbsp; So if you type in the command as shown in =
the text=20
  file it fails every time because it can't find the needed image file =
that is=20
  in and entirely different branch of the directory tree.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then in using the command to create =
the floppy=20
  you have to choose one of five file names to fill in one spot of the=20
  command.&nbsp; The descriptions of the choices are so poorly written =
that you=20
  are unable to determine for sure which one is the real choice you are =
looking=20
  for.&nbsp; After a couple of wrong guesses about which image file to =
use, I=20
  finally lucked into the right one.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Finally, reboot with floppy and CD in =
place and=20
  installation begins.&nbsp; Graphics screen in high resolution comes up =
and I=20
  get to the first install screen.&nbsp; Select language.&nbsp; The =
screen is=20
  not clear as to what to do next.&nbsp; Select other items, hit =
advanced or hit=20
  next.&nbsp; Hitting next causes the install to immediately fail and =
the=20
  machine to reboot, so I think maybe I should have done something =
before=20
  hitting next.&nbsp; Couple more tries with similar failures and I =
finally=20
  notice an error message going by the screen so fast you barely have =
time to=20
  read it, that hints that maybe the problem is video =
related.&nbsp;&nbsp; Boot=20
  again and select advanced options for install, look at my choices that =
are=20
  video related.&nbsp; Now the install has no problem displaying =
graphics to the=20
  point of that first screen.&nbsp; It just can't figure out how to do =
it after=20
  that first screen.&nbsp; Seems odd, but I play along.&nbsp; Select =
lowres=20
  graphics install option and reboot.&nbsp; Get to same graphics screen, =
now in=20
  low res, and same error, crash-reboot..&nbsp; Ok try a different =
option,=20
  reboot, graphics screen, hit next, same error crash-reboot.&nbsp; OK =
try text=20
  mode install.&nbsp; Finally, something works and I get passed the =
first screen=20
  in text mode.&nbsp; Next come a series of screens to choose various =
setup=20
  options, sadly some of these screens are so poorly written and =
documented that=20
  they are impossible to decipher as to what to pick.&nbsp; Like a =
screen with=20
  at least 50 files or programs or options, not sure which :-( ,&nbsp; =
that is=20
  nothing more than a list of unintelligible names that look like a =
series of=20
  random letters thrown together with absolutely no meaning in the name, =
no=20
  description of what the thing is, does, or when it should or should =
not be=20
  selected.&nbsp; With such complete lack of info, unable to decided to =
select=20
  anything on the list or not, so I just hit next and keep going.&nbsp; =
Install=20
  continues for about 1 hour more now.&nbsp; Finally, install completes =
and I=20
  start getting some screens for configuration of various items, like =
root name,=20
  server name, security level choices, etc. etc.,&nbsp;absolutely NO =
explanation=20
  is given for any of these items.&nbsp; Nothing NADA.&nbsp; You have no =
clue as=20
  to whether you should fill something in or leave it blank.&nbsp; You =
are given=20
  no clue as to what the ramifications are if do or don't fill in =
something or=20
  not (like root password or user password, etc etc).&nbsp; Finally, I =
get to a=20
  screen that shows a summary of what has been configured.&nbsp; I note =
the=20
  video has not been configured.&nbsp; While given absolutely no clue by =
the=20
  install routine that anything that wasn't configured could be a =
problem or=20
  not, I decide that the video not being configured could be a =
problem.&nbsp; So=20
  I select the video and hit a button to try and configure it.&nbsp; The =
install=20
  immediately gives me a screen that correctly identifies the video card =
as a=20
  NeoMagic 128XD but it asks me to choose which resolution and color=20
  depth.&nbsp; I remember I used to run it at 1024x768 so I select that =
option=20
  (unfortunately I forgot that the internal LCD will only run at =
800x600).&nbsp;=20
  Computer proceeds to lock-up, install is trashed and I need to start=20
  over.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bottom line.&nbsp; In some respects =
the install=20
  routines of Linux are not as good as say OS/2 around 1993.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
In=20
  other ways, it is as good as OS/2 1993.&nbsp; The almost complete lack =
of=20
  onscreen documentation and help files that can be pulled up for each =
of the=20
  install screens, etc. is a HUGE drawback to the quality of the =
install.&nbsp;=20
  When the install crashes, it never tells you why.&nbsp; If you don't =
catch=20
  something as a log entry goes flashing by at the bottom of the screen =
by=20
  accident, you have no clue what the problem is with the =
install.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A real newbie would have never gotten =
past the=20
  create boot floppy part to even begin the install with help from =
someone=20
  else.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am going to try the install again =
over the=20
  weekend, but I sure hope linux runs a hell of a lot better than the =
install=20
  routine.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Gary</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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