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Skriven 2005-05-21 12:43:54 av Robert G Lewis (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
====================================
From: "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis@comcast.net>

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Holy +ACoAJgAmAF4- I never thought I'd see Gary make a positive = statement
about regulation +ADw-g+AD4-.

I agree with almost everything you say here. ( MS makes 'contributions' = to
anyone with power).

Bob Lewis
  +ACI-Gary Britt+ACI- +ADw-zotu+AEA-nospamforme.com+AD4- wrote in =
message news:428eb68c+AEA-w3.nls.net...
  Its true MS provides more +ACI-choice+ACI- than Apple.   However, =
Microsoft provides much LESS choice than they should, IMHO.  Also, there = is a
qualitative difference to providing choice on things AFTER the = Monopoly was
leveraged to kill off the meaningful competition in a = particular area. =20

  Apple isn't a monopoly so they have no duty to provide choice and they =
don't that's for sure.  Microsoft, because of its Monopoly, does need to =
provide a lot of choice.  I believe Microsoft still takes improper = advantage
of its Monopoly on operating systems and distribution to = leverage their
applications.  Use of undisclosed undocumented API's, = etc.  I'm sure its
still the norm at MS.

  So while its true MS provides more choice than Apple, it provides far =
less choice than it should because it should be a far more regulated = monopoly
than it has been so far.  Sporkin had the right ideas and = solutions, and MS
bought off and out negotiated the Clinton crowd on far = too many occasions.

  Gary
    +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ADwAQAA+- wrote in message =
news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.net...
       I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it.  Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser.  You are saying more than = the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet.  I = can't
believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing
no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again.
 You are spinning so fast you can't see.

       As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was.  Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.  Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none.  Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.

    Rich

      +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev+AEA-4ax.com...
      +AD4-   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.

      I live with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let =
computers
      affect my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you are
      projecting?


      +AD4-   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?

      I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.  I merely say that Apple's =
focus
      is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod.   iPod is the means, iTunes =
is
      the end.  And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
      Probably more of +ACI-too late to the party+ACI-.

      Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon
      some +ACI-new direction+ACI-, I know that Microsft has found =
themelves behind
      the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to =
try to
      catch up.



      +AD4APg- If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?

      Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20

      I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they have
      chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
      as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
      to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
      +ACI-of choice+ACI-.  =20

      If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media =
in the
      percentages that they currently do?

       /m+ADw-probably not...+AD4-



      On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ADwAQAA+- =
wrote:

      +AD4-   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
      +AD4-
      +AD4-   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
      +AD4-
      +AD4-   If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
      +AD4-
      +AD4-Rich
      +AD4-
      +AD4-  +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- wrote in =
message news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp+AEA-4ax.com...
      +AD4-
      +AD4-  It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
      +AD4-  music race, eh Rich?
      +AD4-
      +AD4-  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
      +AD4-  that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not iPod.
      +AD4-  I say no more or no less.  Despite what you try to spin.
      +AD4-
      +AD4-  Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
      +AD4-
      +AD4-   /m
      +AD4-
      +AD4-
      +AD4-
      +AD4-
      +AD4-
      +AD4-  On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- =
+ADwAQAA+- wrote:
      +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see the obvious and how silly you sound.
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-   Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones =
are winning over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you can = carry
one?
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-   Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their software onto phones.  There is a difference from the = ipod. 
Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their = users multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no = reason to lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-Rich
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- =
wrote in message news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com...
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes =
(and its video
      +AD4-  +AD4-  follow-up).  Apple is already putting iPod software =
on cell phones to
      +AD4-  +AD4-  allow them to access iTunes.
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen =
than anything else.
      +AD4-  +AD4-  Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he =
has to look like he
      +AD4-  +AD4-  was out in front all along.
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-   /m
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +010-, Adam =
+ADw-mmmmm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  wrote:
      +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-Randy wrote:
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4APg- I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I =
want MORE....
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4APg-=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4APg- 500 of AAC-encoded songs-sweet+ACE-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4APg-=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't =
last +ACY- that the phones=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which =
I got coz it has an MP3=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-player +ACY- an fm radio....
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are =
listening to the radio or the mp3=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-player +ACY- someone calls you get the selected =
ringing tones....so if like=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-me you often set your phone to silent for =
meetings etc +ACY- then +ACI-forget+ACI-=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-to re-enable the ringer....then you are left =
wondering what's going on=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-coz the music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4APA-G+AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, =
symbian etc) +ACY- was very=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-impressed but +AEA- the end of the day...I just =
wanted music radio +ACY- a=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-nice neat (small) phone.
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-I like the way most of them now try wifi first =
for any net related things.
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
+ACI-personal+ACI- computer=20
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-being the smartphone in their pocket.
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-
      +AD4-  +AD4-  +AD4-Adam

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      +ADw-DIV+AD4AIg-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
      =
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs- wrote in message +ADw-A=20
      =
href+AD0AIg-news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev+AEA-4ax.com+ACIAPg-ne=
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      Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I=20
      live with myself just fine Rich.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I find no need to =
let=20
      computers+ADw-BR+AD4-affect my living situation.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- But =
I have to wonder why=20
      you =
are+ADw-BR+AD4-projecting?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nb=
sp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Do you really think the=20
      itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod =
users so=20
      that this was the only store they can use?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I =
voice no opinion on=20
      the iTunes store.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I merely say that Apple's =
focus+ADw-BR+AD4-is on iTunes=20
      and not necessarily iPod.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- iPod is the =
means, iTunes is+ADw-BR+AD4-the=20
      end.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =

      that.+ADw-BR+AD4-Probably more of +ACI-too late to the =
party+ACI-.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-Whenever=20
      Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon+ADw-BR+AD4-some=20
      +ACI-new direction+ACI-, I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind+ADw-BR+AD4-the=20
      market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
      to+ADw-BR+AD4-catch =
up.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- If = users
are not locked in, why=20
      would they pick the itunes store?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-Coming from =
a Microsoft employee,=20
      that is a very interesting comment.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I mean, if the users=20
      were not locked into Windows, would they have+ADw-BR+AD4-chosen IE =
over=20
      Netscape?+ACY-nbsp+ADs- It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered+ADw-BR+AD4-as=20
      evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed+ADw-BR+AD4-to=20
      leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto=20
      browser+ADw-BR+AD4AIg-of choice+ACI-.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-If the users were not locked=20
      in, would they choose WIndows Media in the+ADw-BR+AD4-percentages =
that they=20
      currently =
do?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs-/m+ACY-lt+ADs-probably =
not...+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-On=20
      Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- =
+ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs-=20
      wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
Keep spinning if that is what you need to=20
      live with =
yourself.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+AD=
s- Do you really think the=20
      itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod =
users so=20
      that this was the only store they can =
use?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- = If=20
      users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
      =
store?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Rich+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADs=
APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
      =
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs- wrote in message +ADw-A=20
      =
href+AD0AIg-news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp+AEA-4ax.com+ACIAPg-ne=
ws:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp+AEA-4ax.com+ADw-/A+AD4-...+ADw-BR+A=
D4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the=20
      online+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- music race, eh =
Rich?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Despite=20
      what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually=20
      saying+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- that Apple is betting on =
iTunes (an/or its video=20
      successor), not iPod.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- I say no =
more or no less.+ACY-nbsp+ADs-=20
      Despite what you try to =
spin.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Give those =
rotator=20
      cuffs a rest for a change, will =
ya?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      =
/m+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4=
AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- On Fri, = 20
May=20
      2005 17:15:01 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs- =
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- If you weren't blinded by =
your agenda, mike, you could=20
      see the obvious and how silly you =
sound.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Why will phones win out, for =
the same reason phones are=20
      winning over many PDA users?+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Why carry two devices =
when you can=20
      carry one?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Apple will=20
      follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their software onto =

      phones.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- There is a difference from the =
ipod.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Unless apple=20
      restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users multiple =
choices,=20
      the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in =
their=20
      customers to the itunes store like apple =
does.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Rich+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A =
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs-=20
      wrote in message +ADw-A=20
      =
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D4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but=20
      iTunes (and its video+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- follow-up).+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Apple is=20
      already putting iPod software on cell phones =
to+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      allow them to access iTunes.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything=20
      else.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
Apple caught him napping in this space, and=20
      now he has to look like he+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- was out in front all=20
      along.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
/m+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- On =
Fri, 20 May 2005=20
      14:01:23 +010-, Adam +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
      =
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mmmmm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+ACIAPg-mmm=
mm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+ADw-/A+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJ=
g-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Randy=20
      wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- I=20
      just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- 500 of AAC-encoded=20
      songs-sweet+ACEAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-Ditto. I agree with Gates that the =
Ipod=20
      won't last +ACY-amp+ADs- that the phones =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-will eat=20
      it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3=20
      +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-player +ACY-amp+ADs- an fm =
radio....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-A mondo bizarro bit is that=20
      if you are listening to the radio or the mp3 =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      +ACY-gt+ADs-player +ACY-amp+ADs- someone calls you get the =
selected ringing tones....so if=20
      like +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-me you often set your phone to silent=20
      for meetings etc +ACY-amp+ADs- then +ACI-forget+ACI- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-to=20
      re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's going =
on=20
      +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-coz the music/radio just suddenly=20
      goes....silent....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
      =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-lt+ADs-G+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-I=20
      had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) =
+ACY-amp+ADs- was very=20
      +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-impressed but +AEA- the end of the day...I just=20
      wanted music radio +ACY-amp+ADs- a =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-nice neat (small)=20
      phone.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-I like=20
      the way most of them now try wifi first for any net related=20
      things.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-I=20
      reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's +ACI-personal+ACI- =
computer=20
      +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-being the smartphone in their=20
      pocket.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
    =
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