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Skriven 2005-05-22 11:19:58 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 4281 av Mike '/m' (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   mike miller says this as part of a diversion from the topic being =
discussed.  Is that your strategy?  When unable to respond on topic you =
change the topic and/or run away.  You must be very ashamed of yourself.

Rich

  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...

  I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
  diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions. =20

  What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some manner =
of
  training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over and
  over.

    /m<shrug>


  On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:

  >Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. =20
  >  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
  >     I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it.  Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser.  You are saying more than = the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet.  I = can't
believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing
no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again.
 You are spinning so fast you can't see.
  >
  >     As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was.  Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.  Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none.  Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
  >
  >  Rich
  >
  >    "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
  >    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
  >
  >    I live with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let =
computers
  >    affect my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you are
  >    projecting?
  >
  >
  >    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
  >
  >    I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.  I merely say that =
Apple's focus
  >    is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod.   iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
  >    the end.  And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
  >    Probably more of "too late to the party".
  >
  >    Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound upon
  >    some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
  >    the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to =
try to
  >    catch up.
  >
  >
  >
  >    >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
  >
  >    Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
  >
  >    I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
  >    chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
  >    as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
  >    to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
  >    "of choice".  =20
  >
  >    If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media =
in the
  >    percentages that they currently do?
  >
  >     /m<probably not...>
  >
  >
  >
  >    On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >
  >    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
  >    >
  >    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
  >    >
  >    >   If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
  >    >
  >    >Rich
  >    >
  >    >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
  >    >
  >    >  It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the =
online
  >    >  music race, eh Rich?
  >    >
  >    >  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
  >    >  that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), =
not iPod.
  >    >  I say no more or no less.  Despite what you try to spin.
  >    >
  >    >  Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
  >    >
  >    >   /m
  >    >
  >    >
  >    >
  >    >
  >    >
  >    >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >    >
  >    >  >   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see =
the obvious and how silly you sound.
  >    >  >
  >    >  >   Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you can carry = one?
  >    >  >
  >    >  >   Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting =
their software onto phones.  There is a difference from the ipod.  = Unless
apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users = multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to = lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
  >    >  >
  >    >  >Rich
  >    >  >
  >    >  >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
  >    >  >
  >    >  >  It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video
  >    >  >  follow-up).  Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones to
  >    >  >  allow them to access iTunes.
  >    >  >
  >    >  >  Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything else.
  >    >  >  Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to =
look like he
  >    >  >  was out in front all along.
  >    >  >
  >    >  >   /m
  >    >  >
  >    >  >
  >    >  >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
  >    >  >  wrote:
  >    >  >
  >    >  >  >Randy wrote:
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....
  >    >  >  >>=20
  >    >  >  >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
  >    >  >  >>=20
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & that =
the phones=20
  >    >  >  >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz =
it has an MP3=20
  >    >  >  >player & an fm radio....
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the =
radio or the mp3=20
  >    >  >  >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so if like=20
  >    >  >  >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc & =
then "forget"=20
  >    >  >  >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering =
what's going on=20
  >    >  >  >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  ><G>
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) =
& was very=20
  >    >  >  >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted music + =
radio & a=20
  >    >  >  >nice neat (small) phone.
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net =
related things.
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" =
computer=20
  >    >  >  >being the smartphone in their pocket.
  >    >  >  >
  >    >  >  >Adam

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; mike miller says this as =
part of a=20
diversion from the topic being discussed.&nbsp; Is that your =
strategy?&nbsp;=20
When unable to respond on topic you change the topic and/or&nbsp;run =
away.&nbsp;=20
You must be very ashamed of yourself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...</DIV><BR>I=20
  think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>diversionary=20
  tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions.&nbsp; <BR><BR>What =
I=20
  wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some manner =
of<BR>training,=20
  because many of them seem to use the same tactics over=20
  and<BR>over.<BR><BR>&nbsp; /m&lt;shrug&gt;<BR><BR><BR>On Sun, 22 May =
2005=20
  00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;Who whould have =
thought=20
  that Joe Barr is right.&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in =
message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it.&nbsp; Read=20
  over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that everyone =
except=20
  the itunes store is a loser.&nbsp; You are saying more than the =
obvious that=20
  apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet.&nbsp; I can't =
believe you=20
  have the audacity to state in one sentence that you are voicing no =
opinion on=20
  the itunes store both after doing so and before doing so again.&nbsp; =
You are=20
  spinning so fast you can't =
see.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for=20
  your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was.&nbsp; =
Unlike=20
  apple, Microsoft provides choice.&nbsp; Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty,=20
  and pretend you have none.&nbsp; Make sure you mention how you have no =
choice=20
  everytime you mention your use any of the very large set of =
non-Microsoft=20
  hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for=20
  Windows.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"Mike=20
  '/m'" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
  yourself.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I live with myself just =
fine=20
  Rich.&nbsp; I find no need to let computers<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
affect=20
  my living situation.&nbsp; But I have to wonder why you=20
  are<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  projecting?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Do you=20
  really think the itunes store would sell the same if apple did not =
lock in=20
  ipod users so that this was the only store they can=20
  use?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I voice no opinion on the =
iTunes=20
  store.&nbsp; I merely say that Apple's focus<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
is on=20
  iTunes and not necessarily iPod.&nbsp;&nbsp; iPod is the means, iTunes =

  is<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the end.&nbsp; And Microsoft is the =
also-ran,=20
  perhaps not even that.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably more of "too =
late to=20
  the party".<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Whenever Microsoft feels =
the=20
  need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound upon<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
some "new=20
  direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves=20
  behind<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the market leader and have belatedly =
realized=20
  that they need to try to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; catch=20
  up.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; If =
users are=20
  not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
  store?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coming from a Microsoft =
employee,=20
  that is a very interesting comment.&nbsp; =
<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
  mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they=20
  have<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; chosen IE over Netscape?&nbsp; It seems =
that=20
  Microsoft execs' emails entered<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as evidence =
in the=20
  anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto=20
  browser<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "of choice".&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If the users were not locked in, =
would they=20
  choose WIndows Media in the<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; percentages that =
they=20
  currently do?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /m&lt;probably=20
  not...&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On Fri, =
20 May=20
  2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; =
wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
  yourself.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you really think the itunes store would sell the =
same if=20
  apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they =
can=20
  use?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
  store?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; It must really suck for your =

  employer to be the loser in the online<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  music race, eh Rich?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually=20
  saying<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; that Apple is betting on =
iTunes=20
  (an/or its video successor), not iPod.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; I=20
  say no more or no less.&nbsp; Despite what you try to=20
  spin.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; Give=20
  those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will =
ya?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
/m<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 =
-0700,=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you =
weren't=20
  blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the obvious and how silly =
you=20
  sound.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why will phones win out, for the same =
reason=20
  phones are winning over many PDA users?&nbsp; Why carry two devices =
when you=20
  can carry one?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Apple will =
follow=20
  Microsoft and I believe real in getting their software onto =
phones.&nbsp;=20
  There is a difference from the ipod.&nbsp; Unless apple restricts =
their OEM=20
  licensees from offering their users multiple choices, the phone =
manufacturers=20
  and carriers have no reason to lock in their customers to the itunes =
store=20
  like apple does.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Mike =
'/m'"=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; It's =
not iPod=20
  that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; follow-up).&nbsp; Apple is already putting iPod =
software=20
  on cell phones to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
allow them=20
  to access iTunes.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Gates' comment =
was more=20
  of a specious smokescreen than anything =
else.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Apple caught him napping in this space, and now =
he has=20
  to look like he<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; was =
out in=20
  front all along.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  /m<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On =
Fri, 20 May=20
  2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Randy=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; I just 1 =
GB on=20
  my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&gt;=20
  500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Ditto. I =
agree with=20
  Gates that the Ipod won't last &amp; that the phones=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;will eat it's =
lunch. I=20
  have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player &amp; an fm=20
  radio....<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;A mondo =
bizarro bit=20
  is that if you are listening to the radio or the mp3=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player &amp; =
someone=20
  calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;me you often set =
your=20
  phone to silent for meetings etc &amp; then "forget"=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;to re-enable the=20
  ringer....then you are left wondering what's going on=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;coz the =
music/radio just=20
  suddenly goes....silent....<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&lt;G&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I had a look =
at the=20
  smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) &amp; was very=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;impressed but @ =
the end=20
  of the day...I just wanted music + radio &amp; a =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;nice neat (small) =
phone.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net related =

  things.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I reckon =
we're 2-3=20
  years out from most people's "personal" computer =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;being the smartphone in their=20
  pocket.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
&gt;Adam<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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