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Skriven 2005-05-22 20:32:04 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 4303 av Mike '/m' (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Can't you even remember your own spew or is this another attempt at a =
diversion.  Let's remind everyone of one of your diversions from below = in
this thread.  Note your response jumps right in to a change of topic. =
 You continue on an unrelated topic never once touching on the subject =
of the question to which you were replying (but not responding).

   Unless your memory has failed and you have a reading comprehension =
problem you can see your other diversions and lies.  You don't even have = to
do futher than below.  You have never been locked in to Windows yet = you
frequently claim that some such lock existed.  Other than being = dishonest and
attempting a diversion would you lie to divert from the = issue that apple
explicitly supports only one store from which you can = purchase licensed music
for an ipod, like that sold by the apple store, = and made an explicit effort
to break real when they started to offer = some.  You even make claims that
others are losers in this market, a = market with one player and no
competitors.

   All this and yet you even claimed that all you said is that apple is =
betting on itunes not ipod, no more no less.  Keep spinning mike.  There = is
no need to reply.  I expect you to launch into another diversion to = avoid
responding on topic from before you started your diversions.

Rich



>  >    >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
>  >
>  >    Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
>  >
>  >    I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
>  >    chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
>  >    as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
>  >    to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
>  >    "of choice".  =20



  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:o9l191pf028tdj86alj21j24uigpn3f3e6@4ax.com...

  I'm still waiting for the exact quote, Rich.

   /m


  On Sun, 22 May 2005 11:19:58 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:

  >   mike miller says this as part of a diversion from the topic being =
discussed.  Is that your strategy?  When unable to respond on topic you =
change the topic and/or run away.  You must be very ashamed of yourself.
  >
  >Rich
  >
  >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com...
  >
  >  I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich Shupak's
  >  diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions. =20
  >
  >  What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some =
manner of
  >  training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics over =
and
  >  over.
  >
  >    /m<shrug>
  >
  >
  >  On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <@> wrote:
  >
  >  >Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. =20
  >  >  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:428eb385@w3.nls.net...
  >  >     I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not =
know it.  Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims = that
everyone except the itunes store is a loser.  You are saying more = than the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. =
 I can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you =
are voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before
doing so again.  You are spinning so fast you can't see.
  >  >
  >  >     As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was.  Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.  Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none.  Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
  >  >
  >  >  Rich
  >  >
  >  >    "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com...
  >  >    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
  >  >
  >  >    I live with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let =
computers
  >  >    affect my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you are
  >  >    projecting?
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
  >  >
  >  >    I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.  I merely say that =
Apple's focus
  >  >    is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod.   iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
  >  >    the end.  And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =
that.
  >  >    Probably more of "too late to the party".
  >  >
  >  >    Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound upon
  >  >    some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
  >  >    the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need =
to try to
  >  >    catch up.
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >    >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
  >  >
  >  >    Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
  >  >
  >  >    I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
  >  >    chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' =
emails entered
  >  >    as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that =
Microsoft needed
  >  >    to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the =
defacto browser
  >  >    "of choice".  =20
  >  >
  >  >    If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows =
Media in the
  >  >    percentages that they currently do?
  >  >
  >  >     /m<probably not...>
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >    On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >  >
  >  >    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
  >  >    >
  >  >    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
  >  >    >
  >  >    >   If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
  >  >    >
  >  >    >Rich
  >  >    >
  >  >    >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com...
  >  >    >
  >  >    >  It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
  >  >    >  music race, eh Rich?
  >  >    >
  >  >    >  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
  >  >    >  that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not iPod.
  >  >    >  I say no more or no less.  Despite what you try to spin.
  >  >    >
  >  >    >  Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
  >  >    >
  >  >    >   /m
  >  >    >
  >  >    >
  >  >    >
  >  >    >
  >  >    >
  >  >    >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >  >    >
  >  >    >  >   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could =
see the obvious and how silly you sound.
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >   Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you can carry = one?
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >   Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their software onto phones.  There is a difference from the = ipod. 
Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their = users multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no = reason to lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >Rich
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >  "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com...
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >  It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and =
its video
  >  >    >  >  follow-up).  Apple is already putting iPod software on =
cell phones to
  >  >    >  >  allow them to access iTunes.
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >  Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything else.
  >  >    >  >  Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has =
to look like he
  >  >    >  >  was out in front all along.
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >   /m
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =
<mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes>
  >  >    >  >  wrote:
  >  >    >  >
  >  >    >  >  >Randy wrote:
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....
  >  >    >  >  >>=20
  >  >    >  >  >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
  >  >    >  >  >>=20
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & =
that the phones=20
  >  >    >  >  >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got =
coz it has an MP3=20
  >  >    >  >  >player & an fm radio....
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the =
radio or the mp3=20
  >  >    >  >  >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so if like=20
  >  >    >  >  >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc =
& then "forget"=20
  >  >    >  >  >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering =
what's going on=20
  >  >    >  >  >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  ><G>
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian =
etc) & was very=20
  >  >    >  >  >impressed but @ the end of the day...I just wanted =
music + radio & a=20
  >  >    >  >  >nice neat (small) phone.
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any =
net related things.
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
"personal" computer=20
  >  >    >  >  >being the smartphone in their pocket.
  >  >    >  >  >
  >  >    >  >  >Adam

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Can't you even remember =
your own spew=20
or is this another attempt at a diversion.&nbsp; Let's remind everyone = of one
of=20
your diversions from below in this thread.&nbsp; Note your response = jumps
right=20
in to a change of topic.&nbsp; You continue on an unrelated topic never =
once=20
touching on the subject of the&nbsp;question to which you were replying = (but
not=20
responding).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Unless your memory has =
failed and you=20
have a reading comprehension problem you can see your other diversions = and=20
lies.&nbsp; You don't even have to do futher than below.&nbsp; You have =
never=20
been locked in to Windows yet you frequently claim that some such lock=20
existed.&nbsp; Other than being dishonest and attempting a diversion = would
you=20
lie to divert from the issue that apple&nbsp;explicitly supports only = one
store=20
from which you can purchase licensed music for an ipod, like that sold = by
the=20
apple store,&nbsp;and made an explicit effort to break real when they = started
to=20
offer some.&nbsp; You even make claims that others are losers in this = market,
a=20
market with one player and no competitors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; All this and yet you even =
claimed that=20
all you said is that apple is betting on itunes not ipod, no more no =
less.&nbsp;=20
Keep spinning mike.&nbsp; There is no need to reply.&nbsp; I expect you = to=20
launch into another diversion to avoid responding on topic from before = you=20
started your diversions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; If users are not locked =
in, why=20
would they pick the itunes store?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very=20
interesting comment.&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean, if the users were not locked into =
Windows, would=20
they have<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; chosen IE over = Netscape?&nbsp;
It=20
seems that Microsoft execs' emails entered<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft=20
needed<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to leverage the Windows = monopoly
in=20
order to make IE the defacto browser<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "of=20
choice".&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:o9l191pf028tdj86alj21j24uigpn3f3e6@4ax.com">news:o9l191pf028=
tdj86alj21j24uigpn3f3e6@4ax.com</A>...</DIV><BR>I'm=20
  still waiting for the exact quote, Rich.<BR><BR>&nbsp;/m<BR><BR><BR>On =
Sun, 22=20
  May 2005 11:19:58 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; =
wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; mike=20
  miller says this as part of a diversion from the topic being =
discussed.&nbsp;=20
  Is that your strategy?&nbsp; When unable to respond on topic you =
change the=20
  topic and/or run away.&nbsp; You must be very ashamed of=20
  yourself.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A =

  href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com">news:fb0191li9sk=
dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich =
Shupak's<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online discussions.&nbsp; =

  <BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona =
go=20
  through some manner of<BR>&gt;&nbsp; training, because many of them =
seem to=20
  use the same tactics over and<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  over.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  /m&lt;shrug&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; On Sun, 22 May 2005 =
00:18:26=20
  -0500, "Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;Who whould =
have=20
  thought that Joe Barr is right.&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Rich" =

  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:428eb385@w3.nls.net">news:428eb385@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&gt;=
&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I find it hard to believe you can be such =
an=20
  idiot and not know it.&nbsp; Read over your spin in this thread =
starting with=20
  your claims that everyone except the itunes store is a loser.&nbsp; =
You are=20
  saying more than the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes =
store is=20
  a bet.&nbsp; I can't believe you have the audacity to state in one =
sentence=20
  that you are voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing =
so and=20
  before doing so again.&nbsp; You are spinning so fast you can't=20
  see.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As =
for your=20
  follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was.&nbsp; Unlike =
apple,=20
  Microsoft provides choice.&nbsp; Go ahead, continue your dishonesty, =
and=20
  pretend you have none.&nbsp; Make sure you mention how you have no =
choice=20
  everytime you mention your use any of the very large set of =
non-Microsoft=20
  hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for =
Windows.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com">news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep spinning if that is what =
you need=20
  to live with yourself.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I live with myself just fine Rich.&nbsp; I find no need to let=20
  computers<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; affect my living=20
  situation.&nbsp; But I have to wonder why you are<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; projecting?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you =
really think=20
  the itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod =
users so=20
  that this was the only store they can use?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.&nbsp; I =
merely=20
  say that Apple's focus<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is on =
iTunes and=20
  not necessarily iPod.&nbsp;&nbsp; iPod is the means, iTunes =
is<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the end.&nbsp; And Microsoft is the also-ran, =
perhaps=20
  not even that.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably more of =
"too late=20
  to the party".<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

  Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound=20
  upon<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; some "new direction", I know =
that=20
  Microsft has found themelves behind<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the=20
  market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
  to<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; catch up.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; If users are not locked in, why would =
they=20
  pick the itunes store?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment.&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean, if =
the users=20
  were not locked into Windows, would they have<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; chosen IE over Netscape?&nbsp; It seems that =
Microsoft=20
  execs' emails entered<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as evidence =
in the=20
  anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft needed<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to =
make IE=20
  the defacto browser<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "of=20
  choice".&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in=20
  the<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; percentages that they =
currently=20
  do?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  /m&lt;probably not...&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 =
-0700,=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keep spinning if that is what =
you need=20
  to live with yourself.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you really think the itunes =
store=20
  would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this =
was the=20
  only store they can use?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If users =
are not=20
  locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Mike '/m'" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com">news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; It=20
  must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the =
online<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; music race, eh Rich?<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually=20
  saying<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; that Apple is =
betting=20
  on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not iPod.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; I say no more or no less.&nbsp; =
Despite what=20
  you try to spin.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Give those rotator cuffs a rest for =
a=20
  change, will ya?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; /m<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, 20 May =
2005=20
  17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
If you=20
  weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the obvious and =
how silly=20
  you sound.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why will phones win =
out,=20
  for the same reason phones are winning over many PDA users?&nbsp; Why =
carry=20
  two devices when you can carry one?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting=20
  their software onto phones.&nbsp; There is a difference from the =
ipod.&nbsp;=20
  Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users =
multiple=20
  choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock =
in their=20
  customers to the itunes store like apple does.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; "Mike =
'/m'"=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com">news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but =
iTunes (and=20
  its video<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  follow-up).&nbsp; Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones=20
  to<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; allow =
them to=20
  access iTunes.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Gates' =
comment=20
  was more of a specious smokescreen than anything else.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; Apple caught him napping =
in this=20
  space, and now he has to look like he<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; was out in front all along.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; /m<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; On Fri, 20 May 2005 =
14:01:23=20
  +0100, Adam &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts@moes</=
A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Randy wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want=20
  MORE....<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; =
500+ of=20
  AAC-encoded songs-sweet!<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last &amp; that the =
phones=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;will =
eat it's=20
  lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player &amp; an fm=20
  radio....<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;A =
mondo=20
  bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the radio or the mp3=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;player =
&amp;=20
  someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;me you often set your =
phone=20
  to silent for meetings etc &amp; then "forget" <BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;to re-enable the=20
  ringer....then you are left wondering what's going on <BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;coz the music/radio =
just=20
  suddenly goes....silent....<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&lt;G&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I =
had a=20
  look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) &amp; was very=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;impressed but=20
  @ the end of the day...I just wanted music + radio &amp; a =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;nice neat (small)=20
  phone.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I =
like the=20
  way most of them now try wifi first for any net related =
things.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;I reckon we're 2-3 =
years out=20
  from most people's "personal" computer <BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;being the smartphone in their =
pocket.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp;=20
&gt;Adam<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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