Text 4388, 199 rader
Skriven 2005-05-24 10:07:14 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 4384 av RobertB. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Rich" <@>
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   I think it only matters within the scope of the market and not the =
size of the defined market. The size of the market may matter in = determining
who cares not whether "monopoly power" exists.  Consider = someone that needs
or wants macos, they have only one choice of a = provider for the computer
system.  It may not matter to you but it = should matter to that person.
   In regard to your last question, I think not at all.
Rich
  "RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu> wrote in message =
news:rb28-0EEEDD.11410924052005@w3.nls.net...
  That may be so, but there is an also an economic factor that is taken=20
  into consideration. A company that monopolizes an industry with $100K =
of=20
  sales per year would hardly be a candidate for monopoly status. Also,=20
  unless I'm mistaken, doesn't a monopoly imply a considerable amount of =
  vertical integration? You not only own the coal fields, you own the=20
  railroad that transports the coal and the tracks the trains run on.=20
  r.
  In article <42928de5@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >    Not true for multiple reasons.  One is that percentages don't =
matter. =20
  >    Another is that you can play number games and define the market =
however=20
  >    you wish.  During the Microsoft trial the market was defined =
narrowly to=20
  >    include only single user computers with a video display, =
keyboard, and=20
  >    Intel x86 processor so as to exclude computer from apple, sun, =
PDAs,=20
  >    servers, and pretty much anything that does not run Windows.  Do =
the same=20
  >    here and you see that apple has 100% of the the market for =
computers that=20
  >    run macos software. =20
  >=20
  > Rich
  >=20
  >   "RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu> wrote in message=20
  >   news:rb28-8DAD7D.16182223052005@w3.nls.net...
  >   Apple owns only 3+% of the market for PCs. They can't be a =
monopoly by=20
  >   definition.=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >   In article <42909834$1@w3.nls.net>, "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote:
  >=20
  >   > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
  >   > news:ib119159n04nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com...
  >   >=20
  >   > > Apple is definitely something with regard to OS/X, but I don't =
think
  >   > > monopoly is the concept.
  >   >=20
  >   > If you write mac software it's a monopoly, if you are a customer =
then=20
  >   > it's
  >   > probably just really really proprietary.
  >   >=20
  >   > Before you argue with the term monopoly, remember the court case =
where=20
  >   > apple
  >   > sued microsoft for being a lookalike.. They even think like a =
monopoly.
  >   >=20
  >   > Geo.
  >   >=20
  >   >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   I think it only matters =
within the=20
scope of the market and not the size of the defined market. The size of =
the=20
market may matter in determining who cares not whether "monopoly power"=20
exists.  Consider someone that needs or wants macos, they have only =
one=20
choice of a provider for the computer system.  It may not matter to = you
but=20
it should matter to that person.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>   In regard to your last =
question, I=20
think not at all.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"RobertB." <<A =
href=3D"mailto:rb28@nyu.edu">rb28@nyu.edu</A>> wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:rb28-0EEEDD.11410924052005@w3.nls.net">news:rb28-0EEEDD.1141=
0924052005@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>That=20
  may be so, but there is an also an economic factor that is taken =
<BR>into=20
  consideration. A company that monopolizes an industry with $100K of =
<BR>sales=20
  per year would hardly be a candidate for monopoly status. Also, =
<BR>unless I'm=20
  mistaken, doesn't a monopoly imply a considerable amount of =
<BR>vertical=20
  integration? You not only own the coal fields, you own the =
<BR>railroad that=20
  transports the coal and the tracks the trains run on. =
<BR><BR>r.<BR><BR>In=20
  article <<A =
href=3D"mailto:42928de5@w3.nls.net">42928de5@w3.nls.net</A>>,=20
  "Rich" <@> wrote:<BR><BR>>    Not true for =
multiple=20
  reasons.  One is that percentages don't matter. =20
  <BR>>    Another is that you can play number games =
and=20
  define the market however <BR>>    you wish.  =
During=20
  the Microsoft trial the market was defined narrowly to=20
  <BR>>    include only single user computers with a =
video=20
  display, keyboard, and <BR>>    Intel x86 processor =
so as to=20
  exclude computer from apple, sun, PDAs, <BR>>    =
servers,=20
  and pretty much anything that does not run Windows.  Do the same=20
  <BR>>    here and you see that apple has 100% of the =
the=20
  market for computers that <BR>>    run macos =
software. =20
  <BR>> <BR>> Rich<BR>> <BR>>   "RobertB." <<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rb28@nyu.edu">rb28@nyu.edu</A>> wrote in message=20
  <BR>>   <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:rb28-8DAD7D.16182223052005@w3.nls.net">news:rb28-8DAD7D.1618=
2223052005@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>>  =20
  Apple owns only 3+% of the market for PCs. They can't be a monopoly by =
  <BR>>   definition. <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>   In=20
  article <<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:42909834$1@w3.nls.net">42909834$1@w3.nls.net</A>>, =
"Geo"=20
  <<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>=20
  <BR>>   > "Mike '/m'" <<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote in=20
  message<BR>>   > <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:ib119159n04nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com">news:ib119159n04=
nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com</A>...<BR>>  =20
  > <BR>>   > > Apple is definitely something with =
regard=20
  to OS/X, but I don't think<BR>>   > > monopoly is =
the=20
  concept.<BR>>   > <BR>>   > If you =
write mac=20
  software it's a monopoly, if you are a customer then =
<BR>>   >=20
  it's<BR>>   > probably just really really=20
  proprietary.<BR>>   > <BR>>   > Before =
you=20
  argue with the term monopoly, remember the court case where=20
  <BR>>   > apple<BR>>   > sued =
microsoft for=20
  being a lookalike.. They even think like a =
monopoly.<BR>>   >=20
  <BR>>   > Geo.<BR>>   > =
<BR>>  =20
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