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Text 484, 250 rader
Skriven 2004-09-06 22:41:00 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 481 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Mike has not reported spammers doing anything you claimed they would =
do to him, either point MX records for their own domains to his SMTP = server
or hack his DNS entries to allow them to send from his domain = from
unauthorized machines.  If you have evidence of either of these = then please
give the name of the domain and the identify of the modified = or invalid
entries so that we can all take a look.  If they did not, why = would you lie
about this?

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net...
  He benefited until the spammers walked around the gate.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net...
     mike already reported that he has benefited and it is not true that =
everyone
  else on the planet has implemented checking.  That pretty much shows =
your
  nonsense for what it is.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net...
    I claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at =
least a
  vast
    majority) would have to implement spf checking.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net...
       So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from =
publishing his
    specification?

       Or are you just whining again that your imagined claims are =
flawed?

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net...
      No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a =
spam
      stopping technology which it is not, because they use the =
existence of an
  SPF
      text record as part of the scoring for emails the spammers have =
learned
  that
      they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and =
that's
  exactly
      what is happening.

      The flip side of the coin is that SPF was designed to prevent =
backscatter
      "attacks" but these weren't really attacks, the spammers just need =
a way to
      redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing =
to stop
    them
      from continuing to do that.

      Geo.

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net...
         so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS =
spoofed to
    change
      the records to allow spam from his domain?

      Rich

        "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net...
        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413abecc@w3.nls.net...

        >>   Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are actually =
doing what
      george
        claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX =
records
  at
      your
        SMTP server?  This latter should be simple to verify since the =
NDRs you
      receive
        would be for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see =
their MX
        records.<<

        What the spammers are doing is following their spambots with =
dynamic spf
    DNS
        entries.

        Geo.





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike has not reported =
spammers doing=20
anything you claimed they would do to him, either point MX records for = their
own=20
domains to his SMTP server or hack his DNS entries to allow them to send =
from=20
his domain from unauthorized machines.&nbsp; If you have evidence of = either
of=20
these then please give the name of the domain and the identify of the =
modified=20
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why=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net">news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>He=
=20
  benefited until the spammers walked around the =
gate.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net">news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  mike already reported that he has benefited and it is not true that=20
  everyone<BR>else on the planet has implemented checking.&nbsp; That =
pretty=20
  much shows your<BR>nonsense for what it is.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; =
"Geo."=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net">news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  I claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at =
least=20
  a<BR>vast<BR>&nbsp; majority) would have to implement spf=20
  checking.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in =
message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from publishing=20
  his<BR>&nbsp; specification?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Or are =
you just=20
  whining again that your imagined claims are flawed?<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a=20
  spam<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; stopping technology which it is not, =
because they=20
  use the existence of an<BR>SPF<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; text record as =
part of=20
  the scoring for emails the spammers have =
learned<BR>that<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and=20
  that's<BR>exactly<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; what is=20
  happening.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The flip side of the coin is that =
SPF was=20
  designed to prevent backscatter<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "attacks" but =
these=20
  weren't really attacks, the spammers just need a way =
to<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing to=20
  stop<BR>&nbsp; them<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; from continuing to do=20
  that.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed =
to<BR>&nbsp;=20
  change<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the records to allow spam from his=20
  domain?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "Geo." &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net">news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413abecc@w3.nls.net">news:413abecc@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are =
actually=20
  doing what<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
george<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX=20
  records<BR>at<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
your<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  SMTP server?&nbsp; This latter should be simple to verify since the =
NDRs=20
  you<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; receive<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
would be=20
  for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see their=20
  MX<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  records.&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What the =
spammers are=20
  doing is following their spambots with dynamic spf<BR>&nbsp;=20
  DNS<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  entries.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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