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Skriven 2005-06-26 10:58:38 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5414 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Rich" <@>
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To try to fool the few people like you that ignore all the other =
signs. When OE is configured to allow unsafe file types it displays the = .scr
extension even for the long path. It also displays the appropriate = icon
which for the example you give is an application icon not a JPEG = icon.
Outlook and OE still block it or warn about it depending on = settings. =20
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42bec43b$1@w3.nls.net...
You don't believe the current UI with the way it displays an icon has =
had an effect?
Why then do email virus use such long attachment names?
Sheep.jpg =
.scr
explain that.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42be1eb8@w3.nls.net...
The icons reflect the icons elsewhere in the UI. I believe this =
makes sense and do not believe that this UI consistency makes users more =
likely to make bad choices.
File extensions being hidden or not, and they are not on file =
attachments, is not the issue. I realize that this is a topic you like = to
whine about because you believe that your preference is right for = everyone.
Do you really believe the the clueless that ignore warnings = would pay
attention to this? This is all moot given that unsafe email = attachments are
blocked and the article was describing people = downloading from the web not
opening an attachment.
As for your claim to show a difference, this happens in a very =
obvious way. Users are warned about dangerous files and not warned = about
safe ones. The problem is that many ignore the warnings. This is = the topic
discussed in the email to which you replied and one which you = completely
ignored in your reply.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42be194e$1@w3.nls.net...
The answer is very simple, instead of hiding dangerous =
attachments, show the users that these are somehow different from other =
attachments, something as simple as changing the icon to a skull and =
crossbones. To make it so that profession users can't open an attachment =
without an exchange server is just plain rude.
The problem is MS has spent recent history trying to hide file =
extensions from the users, so now we have a bunch of clueless users when = it
comes to telling which file types are safe and which are not.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42be015f@w3.nls.net...
I don't see an easy answer. The issue is not that users are =
warned when there is no reason too, it's that they got lucky. A better =
analogy than a combination lock is Russian roulette. It's always = dangerous
which is why there is a warning. What would you do?
On a related note, how do you make a user that just wants =
things to "work" and clicks OK because it doesn't "work" if he makes = another
choice to care about such choices? You can remove the choice = which is the
position taken with Outlook and dangerous attachments. = There were plenty
that complained including folks here when that = happened.
Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> To try to fool the few =
people like you=20
that ignore all the other signs. When OE is configured to allow =
unsafe=20
file types it displays the .scr extension even for the long=20
path. It also displays the appropriate icon which for the example = you
give=20
is an application icon not a JPEG icon. Outlook and OE still block = it
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You don't believe the current UI with =
the way it=20
displays an icon has had an effect?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why then do email virus use such long =
attachment=20
names?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>explain that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The icons reflect the =
icons=20
elsewhere in the UI. I believe this makes sense and do not =
believe=20
that this UI consistency makes users more likely to make bad=20
choices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> File extensions being =
hidden or=20
not, and they are not on file attachments, is not the issue. I =
realize=20
that this is a topic you like to whine about because you believe =
that your=20
preference is right for everyone. Do you really believe the =
the=20
clueless that ignore warnings would pay attention to this? =
This is all=20
moot given that unsafe email attachments are blocked and the article =
was=20
describing people downloading from the web not opening an=20
attachment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As for your claim to =
show a=20
difference, this happens in a very obvious way. Users are =
warned about=20
dangerous files and not warned about safe ones. The problem is =
that=20
many ignore the warnings. This is the topic discussed in the =
email to=20
which you replied and one which you completely ignored in your=20
reply.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The answer is very simple, =
instead of hiding=20
dangerous attachments, show the users that these are somehow =
different=20
from other attachments, something as simple as changing the icon =
to a=20
skull and crossbones. To make it so that profession users can't =
open an=20
attachment without an exchange server is just plain =
rude.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem is MS has spent =
recent history=20
trying to hide file extensions from the users, so now we have =
a bunch=20
of clueless users when it comes to telling which file types are =
safe and=20
which are not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:42be015f@w3.nls.net">news:42be015f@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I don't see an =
easy=20
answer. The issue is not that users are warned=20
when there is no reason too, it's that they got =
lucky. A=20
better analogy than a combination lock is Russian =
roulette. It's=20
always dangerous which is why there is a warning. =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>What would you do?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> On a related note, =
how do you=20
make a user that just wants things to "work" and clicks OK =
because it=20
doesn't "work" if he makes another choice to care about such=20
choices? You can remove the choice which is the position =
taken=20
with Outlook and dangerous attachments. There were plenty =
that=20
complained including folks here when that happened.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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