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Text 5553, 158 rader
Skriven 2005-07-01 09:13:38 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5549 av John Beckett (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Actually you should spout off on exactly how the GUI should be =
different.  Instead you simply complain unable to explain why you are = capable
of keeping your machine from being infected with the very same = software you
complain is responsible for many users exercising bad = judgement.

   You are also lying when you say that it is "exactly the same GUI =
presentation" used for the two examples.  The two are extemely = different. 
Would you say that all choices with two options are exactly = the same?

Rich

  "John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in message =
news:42c4ddd3.15169702@216.144.1.254...
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<42c4b2b7@w3.nls.net>:
  >    Messenger?  What is your message?

  I think you've noticed that I have resisted the temptation to spout =
off
  about how something in the GUI could be different, or how some feature
  could be differently implemented. That's not my job.

  However, I have surrendered to the temptation of goading Microsoft
  supporters about the bottom line:
       There IS an army of infected Windows boxes.

  if ( ThereIsNoWayThisCouldHaveBeenAvoided )
      DontDoIT();
  else
      DoItAnotherWay();

  In the interests of balance, I will mention that I greatly admire =
Windows
  XP (and W2003 even more). Also, Office 2003 is sensational software.

  I would be more relaxed if only Microsoft would accept some =
responsibility
  for the present security mess.

  > This isn't a usability issue.

  In case aliens ever read this thread in a hundred years, I will spell =
out
  that my point was that Microsoft has spent serious time and money on
  testing users. If anyone should know what users are capable of, it =
should
  be Microsoft. It's simply not a good idea to design a GUI that:

  1. Pampers users 99% of the time ("Are you sure you want to delete =
that
  file?", "By the way, there is a Recycle Bin in case you change your =
mind
  later", "Use UNDO to fix blunders"); -and-

  2. Uses exactly the same GUI presentation to handle executable =
attachments
  from spoofable sources.

  John

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Actually you should spout =
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unable to explain why you are capable of keeping your machine from being =

infected with the very same software you complain is responsible for = many
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You are also lying when =
you say that=20
it is "<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>exactly the same GUI=20
presentation</FONT>" used for the two examples.&nbsp; The two are = extemely=20
different.&nbsp; Would you say that all choices with two options are = exactly
the=20
same?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"John Beckett" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c4ddd3.15169702@216.144.1.254">news:42c4ddd3.15169702@216.=
144.1.254</A>...</DIV>"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
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BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Messenger?&nbsp; What is your message?<BR><BR>I think you've noticed =
that I=20
  have resisted the temptation to spout off<BR>about how something in =
the GUI=20
  could be different, or how some feature<BR>could be differently =
implemented.=20
  That's not my job.<BR><BR>However, I have surrendered to the =
temptation of=20
  goading Microsoft<BR>supporters about the bottom=20
  line:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There IS an army of infected Windows =

  boxes.<BR><BR>if ( ThereIsNoWayThisCouldHaveBeenAvoided=20
  )<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DontDoIT();<BR>else<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  DoItAnotherWay();<BR><BR>In the interests of balance, I will mention =
that I=20
  greatly admire Windows<BR>XP (and W2003 even more). Also, Office 2003 =
is=20
  sensational software.<BR><BR>I would be more relaxed if only Microsoft =
would=20
  accept some responsibility<BR>for the present security =
mess.<BR><BR>&gt; This=20
  isn't a usability issue.<BR><BR>In case aliens ever read this thread =
in a=20
  hundred years, I will spell out<BR>that my point was that Microsoft =
has spent=20
  serious time and money on<BR>testing users. If anyone should know what =
users=20
  are capable of, it should<BR>be Microsoft. It's simply not a good idea =
to=20
  design a GUI that:<BR><BR>1. Pampers users 99% of the time ("Are you =
sure you=20
  want to delete that<BR>file?", "By the way, there is a Recycle Bin in =
case you=20
  change your mind<BR>later", "Use UNDO to fix blunders"); =
-and-<BR><BR>2. Uses=20
  exactly the same GUI presentation to handle executable =
attachments<BR>from=20
  spoofable sources.<BR><BR>John<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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