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Text 5615, 192 rader
Skriven 2005-07-02 23:02:56 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5605 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Adults can't be trusted with knives
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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No I don't want to make it so difficult as to discourage all users, I = just
don't want dangerous things shoved in the users face, that's like = putting
knives in the toybox instead of in the knife draw.

Yes I know some will still infect themselves, but if they know how to = open a
password infected zip file they can figure out that it was a = virus and clean
their computers.

As for finding where they saved a file, it's a simple enough test, if = they
find it then it's ok to let them infect themselves. It's the ones = who can't
find it that will be protected by removing the "open" choice = when
downloading.

Geo.
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c728fc$1@w3.nls.net...
     So of the models I have discussed with John you believe the middle =
one, make the steps required so difficult as to discourage users from =
completing the task they want to.  Do you remember that some of these = people
still infected themselves when they received a password protected = ZIP file
via email, saved the ZIP file, extracted it with password, = found and ran the
trojan just extracted?

     On a similar note, why do you think that someone that ignored the =
warnings to open a file will not be able to find what they saved and = open it
while those that do understand the risk and not being fooled = will have no
trouble finding and opening the file they saved?

     If you think you need protection from new or clueless users, why =
don't you in your role as ISP block access to any unsafe content until = your
customers demonstrate to you that they are capable of exercising = good
judgement?

  Rich

    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42c702ec$1@w3.nls.net...
    Hell yes I want the ability to download from the web and I'm =
certainly not suggesting removing that ability, but at the same time I = don't
believe there should be a choice of save to disk or open, get rid = of the open
choice. Force users to learn how to navigate a disk tree and = figure out where
the hell they downloaded something to.

    That minimal requirement would stop the newest users in their =
tracks. You wouldn't have computers getting infected by totally (and I = do
mean TOTALLY) clueless users.

    Geo.


      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c6d606@w3.nls.net...
         ?  Answer the question.  Do you want the ability to download =
from the web to be unavailable to you and everyone else because some = users do
stupid things?

      Rich


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No I don't want to make it so difficult =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes I know some will still infect =
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that=20
it was a virus and clean their computers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for finding where they saved a file, =
it's a=20
simple enough test, if they find it then it's ok to let them infect =
themselves.=20
It's the ones who can't find it that will be protected by removing the =
"open"=20
choice when downloading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; So of the models I have =
discussed=20
  with John you believe the middle one, make the steps required so =
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you=20
  remember that some of these people still infected themselves when they =

  received a password protected ZIP file via email, saved the ZIP file,=20
  extracted it with password, found and ran the trojan just=20
  extracted?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; On a similar note, why =
do you think=20
  that someone that ignored the warnings to open a file will not be able =
to find=20
  what they saved and open it while those that do understand the risk =
and not=20
  being fooled will have no trouble finding and opening the file they=20
  saved?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If you think you need =
protection=20
  from new or clueless users, why don't you in your role as ISP block =
access to=20
  any unsafe content until your customers demonstrate to you that they =
are=20
  capable of exercising good judgement?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
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V>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hell yes I want the ability to =
download from=20
    the web and I'm certainly not suggesting removing that ability, but =
at the=20
    same time I don't believe there should be a choice of save to disk =
or open,=20
    get rid of the open choice. Force users to learn how to navigate a =
disk tree=20
    and figure out where the hell they downloaded something =
to.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That minimal requirement would stop =

    the&nbsp;newest users&nbsp;in their tracks. You wouldn't have =
computers=20
    getting infected by totally (and I do mean TOTALLY) clueless=20
    users.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42c6d606@w3.nls.net">news:42c6d606@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; ?&nbsp; Answer the=20
      question.&nbsp; Do you want the ability to download from the web =
to be=20
      unavailable to you and everyone else because some users do stupid=20
      things?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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