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Skriven 2005-07-05 14:50:12 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 5671 av Tony Ingenoso (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Productivity
========================
From: "Rich" <@>

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   Let me remind everyone of your claim so that you know what it is you =
are trying to support.  You clearly forgot what you wrote.  Remember to =
include Windows 3.1 and OS/2 in your reply and also to support your = claim of
software being slower.

    "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message =
news:42c34a24@w3.nls.net...
    I reject the notion of you placing such constraints on my =
comparason.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c31ca0@w3.nls.net...

        Of software users use for productivity tasks (e.g. not games nor =
likely multimedia) that has gotten slower.  Since you mention the 486 I = would
expect the comparison to be between someone that purchased a new = computer and
software in 1989 when the 486 was introduced and someone = that purchases a new
computer and software today.

    Rich

      "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message =
news:42c3170b@w3.nls.net...
      Examples of what?

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c31595@w3.nls.net...
         Can you give real world examples?

      Rich

        "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message
      news:42c3121d$1@w3.nls.net...
        In terms of real life bankable productivity gains, I'm not =
convinced
        anything since about the 486 and Win31 or OS/2 has actually made =
ordinary
        users more productive in meaningful ways.

        The software has gotten slower about as fast as the hardware has =
gotten
        faster ;->



Rich

  "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message =
news:42cacd68@w3.nls.net...
  FACT: Microsoft shipped NT4 and several modern versions of Office and =
IE/OE
  that support 486 class machines.

  QED

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42ca228b@w3.nls.net...
     Still trying to change the topic.  You made a claim.  Support your =
claim
  with facts.  Asking random questions is not supporting your claims.

  Rich

    "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message
  news:42ca2080$1@w3.nls.net...
    OK, I'll wast the bandwidth is you want.

    So why is it again that NT4 and IE/OE's through at least 6.X support =
the
    486?

    If they're not productive, why do you support them?

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c8a45b@w3.nls.net...
       Still trying to change the topic.  Let's remind everyone of what =
you
    wrote.  If you want to save bandwidth please answer the question and
  provide
    support for the claims you made.

        "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    news:42c34a24@w3.nls.net...
        I reject the notion of you placing such constraints on my =
comparason.

        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c31ca0@w3.nls.net...

            Of software users use for productivity tasks (e.g. not games =
nor
    likely multimedia) that has gotten slower.  Since you mention the =
486 I
    would expect the comparison to be between someone that purchased a =
new
    computer and software in 1989 when the 486 was introduced and =
someone that
    purchases a new computer and software today.

        Rich

          "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    news:42c3170b@w3.nls.net...
          Examples of what?

          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c31595@w3.nls.net...
             Can you give real world examples?

          Rich

            "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message
          news:42c3121d$1@w3.nls.net...
            In terms of real life bankable productivity gains, I'm not
  convinced
            anything since about the 486 and Win31 or OS/2 has actually =
made
    ordinary
            users more productive in meaningful ways.

            The software has gotten slower about as fast as the hardware =
has
    gotten
            faster ;->



    Rich

      "Tony Ingenoso" <admin@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    news:42c83368@w3.nls.net...
      How many 486 class machines shipped with Win95 preloaded?

      Is the number more than zero?

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c7270f@w3.nls.net...
         Good that you admit that part of your claim was bullshit.  Now =
how
    about
      the rest?

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Let me remind everyone of =
your claim=20
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forgot=20
what you wrote.&nbsp; Remember to include Windows 3.1 and OS/2 in your = reply
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  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A href=3D"">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
    message <A href=3D"">news:42c34a24@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>I reject =
the notion=20
    of you placing such constraints on my comparason.<BR><BR>"Rich" =
&lt;@&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A href=3D"">news:42c31ca0@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Of software =
users use for=20
    productivity tasks&nbsp;(e.g. not games nor likely multimedia) that =
has=20
    gotten slower.&nbsp; Since you mention the 486 I would expect the =
comparison=20
    to be between someone that purchased a new computer and software in =
1989=20
    when the 486 was introduced and someone that purchases a new =
computer and=20
    software today.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A href=3D"">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
      message <A href=3D"">news:42c3170b@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>Examples =
of=20
      what?<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      href=3D"">news:42c31595@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Can you =
give real=20
      world examples?<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; wrote in message<BR><A=20
      href=3D"">news:42c3121d$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbsp; In terms of =
real life=20
      bankable productivity gains, I'm not convinced<BR>&nbsp; anything =
since=20
      about the 486 and Win31 or OS/2 has actually made =
ordinary<BR>&nbsp; users=20
      more productive in meaningful ways.<BR><BR>&nbsp; The software has =
gotten=20
      slower about as fast as the hardware has gotten<BR>&nbsp; faster=20
      =
;-&gt;</FONT><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42cacd68@w3.nls.net">news:42cacd68@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>FA=
CT:=20
  Microsoft shipped NT4 and several modern versions of Office and =
IE/OE<BR>that=20
  support 486 class machines.<BR><BR>QED<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote =
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42ca228b@w3.nls.net">news:42ca228b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
  Still trying to change the topic.&nbsp; You made a claim.&nbsp; =
Support your=20
  claim<BR>with facts.&nbsp; Asking random questions is not supporting =
your=20
  claims.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; wrote in=20
  message<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42ca2080$1@w3.nls.net">news:42ca2080$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  OK, I'll wast the bandwidth is you want.<BR><BR>&nbsp; So why is it =
again that=20
  NT4 and IE/OE's through at least 6.X support the<BR>&nbsp; =
486?<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  If they're not productive, why do you support them?<BR><BR>&nbsp; =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c8a45b@w3.nls.net">news:42c8a45b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Still trying to change the topic.&nbsp; Let's remind everyone of what=20
  you<BR>&nbsp; wrote.&nbsp; If you want to save bandwidth please answer =
the=20
  question and<BR>provide<BR>&nbsp; support for the claims you=20
  made.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c34a24@w3.nls.net">news:42c34a24@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I reject the notion of you placing such constraints on my=20
  comparason.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c31ca0@w3.nls.net">news:42c31ca0@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Of software users use for productivity tasks (e.g. not games =
nor<BR>&nbsp;=20
  likely multimedia) that has gotten slower.&nbsp; Since you mention the =
486=20
  I<BR>&nbsp; would expect the comparison to be between someone that =
purchased a=20
  new<BR>&nbsp; computer and software in 1989 when the 486 was =
introduced and=20
  someone that<BR>&nbsp; purchases a new computer and software=20
  today.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Tony Ingenoso" =
&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c3170b@w3.nls.net">news:42c3170b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Examples of what?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c31595@w3.nls.net">news:42c31595@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Can you give real world=20
  examples?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
"Tony=20
  Ingenoso" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c3121d$1@w3.nls.net">news:42c3121d$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  In terms of real life bankable productivity gains, I'm=20
  =
not<BR>convinced<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;=20
  anything since about the 486 and Win31 or OS/2 has actually =
made<BR>&nbsp;=20
  ordinary<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
users more=20
  productive in meaningful=20
  ways.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
The=20
  software has gotten slower about as fast as the hardware has<BR>&nbsp; =

  gotten<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
faster=20
  ;-&gt;<BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Tony =
Ingenoso"=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:admin@spamcop.net">admin@spamcop.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c83368@w3.nls.net">news:42c83368@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  How many 486 class machines shipped with Win95=20
  preloaded?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the number more than=20
  zero?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42c7270f@w3.nls.net">news:42c7270f@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Good that you admit that part of your claim was bullshit.&nbsp; Now=20
  how<BR>&nbsp; about<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the=20
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