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Text 577, 138 rader
Skriven 2004-09-13 20:05:46 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 575 av Don Hills (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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   I referred you and everyone else to the actual license.  Have you =
read it?

   If you want an example of a license with rigid control issues, look =
at the GPL.  It's a great example of what you call "take it or leave = it." 
The folks complaining do not have issues with control or else they = would all
rail against the GPL though hypocrisy is not uncommon here.

Rich

  "Don Hills" <dmhills@attglobal.net> wrote in message =
news:4sjRBtgaX6vE092yn@attglobal.net...
  In article <4145cc16$1@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >
  >  "Don Hills" <dmhills@attglobal.net> wrote in message =3D
  >news:Y2ORBtgaXaHI092yn@attglobal.net...
  >
  >> As I understand it, the problem is the terms of the license for
  >>patents that Microsoft may file for the use of XML and/or the PRA
  >>algorithm. Correct?
  >
  >   Which is being licenced for royalty-free.
  >

  There you go again.
  I'm trying to gain an understanding of the issue, and gave you the
  opportunity to confirm that we're starting from a common =
understanding. You
  appear to have chosen not to do so, so that you can claim later that I
  misunderstood your point of view. (As you do...) All right then, it's =
on
  record so let's move on.

  Royalty-free is not the issue. The Open Source community have good =
lawyers
  too, and they are not happy with the "control" terms. I might accept =
them if
  I ran a business, but I certainly wouldn't if I were a government or a
  community committee. Microsoft are currently saying "take it or leave =
it",
  and in my opinion have deliberately presented the IETF and FOSS with
  Hobson's Choice. Personally, I think it'll be resolved by the =
community
  coming up with a non-infringing alternative.

  --=20
  Don Hills
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I referred you and =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; If you want an example of =
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  <DIV>"Don Hills" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:dmhills@attglobal.net">dmhills@attglobal.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4sjRBtgaX6vE092yn@attglobal.net">news:4sjRBtgaX6vE092yn@attg=
lobal.net</A>...</DIV>In=20
  article &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:4145cc16$1@w3.nls.net">4145cc16$1@w3.nls.net</A>&gt;, =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; "Don Hills" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:dmhills@attglobal.net">dmhills@attglobal.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
  message =
=3D<BR>&gt;news:Y2ORBtgaXaHI092yn@attglobal.net...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  As I understand it, the problem is the terms of the license=20
  for<BR>&gt;&gt;patents that Microsoft may file for the use of XML =
and/or the=20
  PRA<BR>&gt;&gt;algorithm. Correct?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Which =
is being=20
  licenced for royalty-free.<BR>&gt;<BR><BR>There you go again.<BR>I'm =
trying to=20
  gain an understanding of the issue, and gave you the<BR>opportunity to =
confirm=20
  that we're starting from a common understanding. You<BR>appear to have =
chosen=20
  not to do so, so that you can claim later that I<BR>misunderstood your =
point=20
  of view. (As you do...) All right then, it's on<BR>record so let's =
move=20
  on.<BR><BR>Royalty-free is not the issue. The Open Source community =
have good=20
  lawyers<BR>too, and they are not happy with the "control" terms. I =
might=20
  accept them if<BR>I ran a business, but I certainly wouldn't if I were =
a=20
  government or a<BR>community committee. Microsoft are currently saying =
"take=20
  it or leave it",<BR>and in my opinion have deliberately presented the =
IETF and=20
  FOSS with<BR>Hobson's Choice. Personally, I think it'll be resolved by =
the=20
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<BR>Don=20
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