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Kommentar till text 5923 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Continuing Microsoft Office improvements
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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I think for this discussion satisfied should mean after looking at the = new
version and the price they decide not to upgrade. Because if I try = to look at
it like below, then I'm not satisfied because I want = activation removed so I
can upgrade for no reason but to run the current = version.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d34417@w3.nls.net...
You have to be careful how you judge whether someone is satisfied. =
gary didn't do so and I didn't question him on it because his claim is =
clearly made up.
Anyway, whether someone is satisfied can depend on whether the he =
is aware that something better is available. I'll use my father again. = He
has it in his mind that he needs a faster computer. His current = computer is
faster than his previous one which is faster than the one = before that. He
knows that faster computers are available and I believe = it is because of that
that his satisfaction with his current one has = decreased. I'll give another
example. A good friend of mine has been = watching TV for around 40 years.
Was he satisfied by his TV, yep. Then = he got a tivo. He is no longer
satisfied by a TV without a PVR. In = both cases, the user has something good
enough and in both cases the = user is no longer satisfied by what he had
before once he knows what he = is missing.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d335f8$1@w3.nls.net...
I don't know if I'd be satisfied with that version since I didn't =
start using office until Office 97. However I'm completely satisfied = using
Qpro version 5 from 1993 so I don't see why I should consider his = statement
false simply because I don't have a version that old.
For me it's not a question of which version was good enough, I like =
to keep current so the question is at which version does or did it = become
unacceptable. Typically becoming unacceptable is why I stop = upgrading a
product.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d32432@w3.nls.net...
Irrelevant question and you fail to fall ib gary's bogus 95% =
unless you would be satisfied with Office 5.0 for Windows 3.1.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d30077$1@w3.nls.net...
Ok time for a survey.
I run Office 2000, what versions do the rest of you run?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d29689@w3.nls.net...
If you truly expect 95% than I believe you are full of it =
and just making up junk to sound as if you know something. Use "some" = if you
mean some.
Rich
"Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message =
news:42d292af$1@w3.nls.net...
I never said it wasn't. What is it about the definition of =
the words "I
Suspect" that seem to so trouble your reading comprehension. =
Quit being
such a touchy ass about this. Its not my fault nobody wants =
to upgrade
their MS Office software.
Your employer needs to build a business model that doesn't =
rely upon full
cost monopoly priced upgrades of products every 9 months. =
That isn't my
fault either. Eventually, people say "wait a minute", again =
not my fault.
I guess Microsoft could get lots of office upgrades if they =
just make
Longhorn incompatible with every version of MS Office except =
<FILL IN NAME
OF VERSION HERE>.
Gary
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d28167@w3.nls.net...
And I still think you have no clue. The 95% you keep =
claiming is a
number you pulled out of thin air.
Rich
"Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
news:42d265b2$1@w3.nls.net...
You are right that my perspective does not extend outside =
the USA.
I never said there weren't *improvements* from Office 5.0 =
to the later
versions. I am saying those *improvements* are =
meaningless to 95% of the
market, and in MANY or MOST situations those =
*improvements* are offset by
dis-incentives and negative changes that are more negative =
than the
improvements are positive.
I like office 2000, have no plans to go above office 2000. =
Truth is, I
could easily stayed with Office 5. I suspect that truth =
holds for 95% of
the market within my perspective.
Gary
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d1b1ad$1@w3.nls.net...
95% what market? You surely do not mean people that =
speak many
non-Western languages because Unicode support did not =
appear until Office
97
and support for more languages and better support for =
existing ones
continued to improve with successive releases. With your =
broad brush you
are discounting a great deal of the people on this planet. =
Far more than
5%. Western European language speaker are the minority. =
Even you would
have to be blind to not see the clear improvements between =
Office 5.0 or
even Office 95 and Office 2000.
I suspect you have no clue what the improvements are in =
the two
releases
since the one you use. If I'm wrong feel free to tell us =
all which Office
2003 applications you use and what differences you =
perceived.
Rich
"Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
news:42d194f6$1@w3.nls.net...
The truth be told, Office for Win95 and Office 5.0 for =
Win3.1 was good
enough for 95% of the market.
I've stayed at the Office 2K level with no intention on =
the horizon of
going
higher.
Gary
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think for this discussion satisfied =
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Because if I try to look at it like below, then I'm not satisfied = because I
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activation removed so I can upgrade for no reason but to run the current =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You have to be careful =
how you judge=20
whether someone is satisfied. gary didn't do so and I didn't =
question=20
him on it because his claim is clearly made up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Anyway, whether someone =
is satisfied=20
can depend on whether the he is aware that something better is=20
available. I'll use my father again. He has it in his mind =
that he=20
needs a faster computer. His current computer is faster than his =
previous one which is faster than the one before that. He knows =
that=20
faster computers are available and I believe it is because of that =
that his=20
satisfaction with his current one has decreased. I'll give =
another=20
example. A good friend of mine has been watching TV for around =
40=20
years. Was he satisfied by his TV, yep. Then he got a =
tivo. =20
He is no longer satisfied by a TV without a PVR. In both cases, =
the user=20
has something good enough and in both cases the user is no longer =
satisfied by=20
what he had before once he knows what he is =
missing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't know if I'd be satisfied =
with that=20
version since I didn't start using office until Office 97. However =
I'm=20
completely satisfied using Qpro version 5 from 1993 so I don't see =
why I=20
should consider his statement false simply because I don't have a =
version=20
that old.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For me it's not a question of which =
version was=20
good enough, I like to keep current so the question is at which =
version does=20
or did it become unacceptable. Typically becoming unacceptable is =
why I stop=20
upgrading a product.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Irrelevant question =
and you fail=20
to fall ib gary's bogus 95% unless you would be satisfied with =
Office 5.0=20
for Windows 3.1.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok time for a =
survey.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I run Office 2000, what =
versions do the=20
rest of you run?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If you truly =
expect 95% than=20
I believe you are full of it and just making up junk to sound =
as if=20
you know something. Use "some" if you mean =
some.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Gary Britt" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:zotu@nospamforme.com">zotu@nospamforme.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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V>I=20
never said it wasn't. What is it about the definition =
of the=20
words "I<BR>Suspect" that seem to so trouble your reading=20
comprehension. Quit being<BR>such a touchy ass about=20
this. Its not my fault nobody wants to =
upgrade<BR>their MS=20
Office software.<BR><BR>Your employer needs to build a =
business=20
model that doesn't rely upon full<BR>cost monopoly priced =
upgrades=20
of products every 9 months. That isn't my<BR>fault=20
either. Eventually, people say "wait a minute", again =
not my=20
fault.<BR><BR>I guess Microsoft could get lots of office =
upgrades if=20
they just make<BR>Longhorn incompatible with every version =
of MS=20
Office except <FILL IN NAME<BR>OF VERSION=20
HERE>.<BR><BR>Gary<BR><BR>"Rich" <@> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42d28167@w3.nls.net">news:42d28167@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p; =20
And I still think you have no clue. The 95% you keep =
claiming=20
is a<BR>number you pulled out of thin =
air.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR> =20
"Gary Britt" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:zotu@nospamforme.com">zotu@nospamforme.com</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
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href=3D"news:42d265b2$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d265b2$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
You are right that my perspective does not extend outside =
the=20
USA.<BR><BR> I never said there weren't *improvements* =
from=20
Office 5.0 to the later<BR> versions. I am =
saying those=20
*improvements* are meaningless to 95% of the<BR> =
market, and=20
in MANY or MOST situations those *improvements* are offset=20
by<BR> dis-incentives and negative changes that are =
more=20
negative than the<BR> improvements are =
positive.<BR><BR> =20
I like office 2000, have no plans to go above office =
2000. =20
Truth is, I<BR> could easily stayed with Office =
5. I=20
suspect that truth holds for 95% of<BR> the market =
within my=20
perspective.<BR><BR> Gary<BR><BR> "Rich" =
<@> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42d1b1ad$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d1b1ad$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
95% what market? You surely do not mean people that =
speak=20
many<BR> non-Western languages because Unicode support =
did not=20
appear until Office<BR>97<BR> and support for more =
languages=20
and better support for existing ones<BR> continued to =
improve=20
with successive releases. With your broad brush =
you<BR> =20
are discounting a great deal of the people on this =
planet. Far=20
more than<BR> 5%. Western European language =
speaker are=20
the minority. Even you would<BR> have to be =
blind to not=20
see the clear improvements between Office 5.0 or<BR> =
even=20
Office 95 and Office 2000.<BR><BR> I =
suspect=20
you have no clue what the improvements are in the=20
two<BR>releases<BR> since the one you use. If =
I'm wrong=20
feel free to tell us all which Office<BR> 2003 =
applications=20
you use and what differences you perceived.<BR><BR> =20
Rich<BR><BR> "Gary Britt" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:zotu@nospamforme.com">zotu@nospamforme.com</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:42d194f6$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d194f6$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
The truth be told, Office for Win95 and Office 5.0 for =
Win3.1 was=20
good<BR> enough for 95% of the=20
market.<BR><BR> I've stayed at the Office =
2K level=20
with no intention on the horizon of<BR> =20
going<BR> =
higher.<BR><BR> =20
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