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From: "Rich" <@>
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I don't care what they cost Microsoft. I do care about the millions =
or more likely tens or hundreds of millions they have cost the computer = using
public. I find it very sad that you not only don't care about = this but state
that you believe all this harm is actually good.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d5eb5e@w3.nls.net...
And I think you have an attitude about eeye based on the millions =
they've cost Microsoft.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d4bef1$1@w3.nls.net...
no. your behavior is like idol worship. You are blind to all =
the damage they are responsible for and try to excuse it. I just saw =
something on tv discussing manson and squeaky fromme. your behavior = reminds
me of her.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d48383$1@w3.nls.net...
It's not idol warship, it's respect.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d36d9d@w3.nls.net...
You really have the wrong idea about eeye. They are in the =
protection racket. They publish information and put out press releases =
putting you and the public at risk then try to sell you and others = protection
from the danger they put you in. It should be obvious what = is wrong with
this. You know about them because of how irresponsible = and self-serving they
are, well that and george's misplaced idol = worship. I've found more issues
than they have and know others that = have as well. Their finds aren't even
that interesting and generally = have all the pizzazz of something found by an
automated tool.
Rich
"John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> wrote in =
message news:2tl6d1h3lb4nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61@4ax.com...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<42d34b1d@w3.nls.net>:
> I think you are making a false premise which is that if eeye =
was not
> irresponsible and providing instructions or if people did =
not act
> on those instructions then no one would fix bugs.
Of course Microsoft would fix bugs. But when? With what =
priority?
Who would have told Microsoft that IIS and IE etc had a bunch =
of
vulnerabilities that needed patching, if it weren't for people =
like eeye?
And what's wrong with eeye making money from their work? Most =
people
(outside the KDE and Gnome camps) want standard software that =
works. That
means we have Microsoft as the giant developer, and a bunch of =
ants
picking up crumbs. Eeye is an ant feeding from the security =
bugs that it
manages to find. If it weren't so embarassing in the short =
term, they
should be paid a retainer by Microsoft.
John
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I don't care what they =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And I think you have an attitude =
about eeye based=20
on the millions they've cost Microsoft.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> no. your =
behavior is like=20
idol worship. You are blind to all the damage they are =
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and try to excuse it. I just saw something on tv discussing =
manson and=20
squeaky fromme. your behavior reminds me of =
her.</FONT></DIV><FONT=20
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<DIV><BR>Rich</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's not idol warship, it's=20
respect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You really have =
the wrong idea=20
about eeye. They are in the protection racket. They =
publish=20
information and put out press releases putting you and =
the=20
public at risk then try to sell you and others protection from =
the=20
danger they put you in. It should be obvious what is wrong =
with=20
this. You know about them because of how irresponsible and =
self-serving they are, well that and george's misplaced idol=20
worship. I've found more issues than they have and know =
others=20
that have as well. Their finds aren't even that =
interesting and=20
generally have all the pizzazz of something found by an =
automated=20
tool.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"John Beckett" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:2tl6d1h3lb4nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61@4ax.com">news:2tl6d1h3lb4=
nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>"Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:<42d34b1d@w3.nls.net">news:<42d34b1d@w3.nls.net</A>>:<=
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I think you are making a false premise which is that if eeye =
was=20
not<BR>> irresponsible and providing instructions or if =
people did=20
not act<BR>> on those instructions then no one would fix=20
bugs.<BR><BR>Of course Microsoft would fix bugs. But when? =
With what=20
priority?<BR><BR>Who would have told Microsoft that IIS and IE =
etc had=20
a bunch of<BR>vulnerabilities that needed patching, if it =
weren't for=20
people like eeye?<BR><BR>And what's wrong with eeye making =
money from=20
their work? Most people<BR>(outside the KDE and Gnome camps) =
want=20
standard software that works. That<BR>means we have Microsoft =
as the=20
giant developer, and a bunch of ants<BR>picking up crumbs. =
Eeye is an=20
ant feeding from the security bugs that it<BR>manages to find. =
If it=20
weren't so embarassing in the short term, they<BR>should be =
paid a=20
retainer by=20
=
Microsoft.<BR><BR>John<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQ=
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