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Skriven 2004-09-14 20:39:14 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 598 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   First, I'm still looking for you to provide real world examples that =
anyone does this along with a description of how it benefits them.

   As for your claim of no MX or MX pointing to a non-existent IP, you =
better explain why that doesn't address the issue you claim that = spammers
have.  I thinnk you are off in never never land.  No MX record = should be
faster than a valid MX as the NDR is abandoned.  Sillier yet, = you are now
arguing that a spammer would not want to use mike miller's = SMTP server
because it is too slow.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:41479c5e@w3.nls.net...
  I did reply to your message that starts off with the incorrect =
question of "Why
  would a spammer do something like   this that provides a traceable =
record that
  is a legal liability for them". That's an incorrect assumption, it's =
not
  traceable.

  As far as no MX or MX which points to a non existent IP, that doesn't =
solve the
  problem of getting rid of bounces quickly, it just slows down the =
servers they
  are trying to spam which in turn slows them down. Why do you think =
they us AOL
  so often? If you use some little server then everything backs up. =
These guys
  are trying to crank out a billion emails a day.

  Geo.


  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:41477f00$1@w3.nls.net...
     You didn't even make any attempt to reply to my message.  Try again =
this
  time explaining why it is beneficial for a spammer to behave as you =
suggest
  instead of the simpler alternatives that do not require this =
additional
  liability.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:41477891@w3.nls.net...
    How do you figure? You think a spammer doesn't have a hundred =
domains that
    can't be tracked back to him?

    Rich, have you (in the past year or two) even tried to track down a =
spammer?

    Ok example, pretend for a minute the MX points to you and you don't =
know the
    owner and track down the bounces from doh@theyscrewedusagain.com and =
that's a
    .COM, you should try it with a .INFO

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4144aa77$1@w3.nls.net...
       Again you make this silly suggestion.  Why would a spammer do =
something
  like
    this that provides a tracable record that is a legal liability for =
them.
  They
    should just as easily have no MX record or an MX record that points =
to an
    invalid IP.  Both of which have the same effect of mail to their =
domain not
    being deliverable which is all you claim they want.  It's one thing =
to create
  a
    liability by spammer for which they derive revenue.  It's another to =
create
  one
    which provides liability only.

    Rich



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; First, I'm still looking =
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of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; As for your claim of no MX =
or MX=20
pointing to a non-existent IP, you better explain why that doesn't = address
the=20
issue you claim that spammers have.&nbsp; I thinnk you are off in never =
never=20
land.&nbsp; No MX record should be faster than a valid MX as the NDR is=20
abandoned.&nbsp; Sillier yet, you are now arguing that a spammer would = not
want=20
to use mike miller's SMTP server because it is too slow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:41479c5e@w3.nls.net">news:41479c5e@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>I =
did=20
  reply to your message that starts off with the incorrect question of=20
  "Why<BR>would a spammer do something like&nbsp;&nbsp; this that =
provides a=20
  traceable record that<BR>is a legal liability for them". That's an =
incorrect=20
  assumption, it's not<BR>traceable.<BR><BR>As far as no MX or MX which =
points=20
  to a non existent IP, that doesn't solve the<BR>problem of getting rid =
of=20
  bounces quickly, it just slows down the servers they<BR>are trying to =
spam=20
  which in turn slows them down. Why do you think they us AOL<BR>so =
often? If=20
  you use some little server then everything backs up. These guys<BR>are =
trying=20
  to crank out a billion emails a day.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR><BR>"Rich" =
&lt;@&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:41477f00$1@w3.nls.net">news:41477f00$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  You didn't even make any attempt to reply to my message.&nbsp; Try =
again=20
  this<BR>time explaining why it is beneficial for a spammer to behave =
as you=20
  suggest<BR>instead of the simpler alternatives that do not require =
this=20
  additional<BR>liability.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:41477891@w3.nls.net">news:41477891@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p; How=20
  do you figure? You think a spammer doesn't have a hundred domains=20
  that<BR>&nbsp; can't be tracked back to him?<BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich, have =
you (in=20
  the past year or two) even tried to track down a =
spammer?<BR><BR>&nbsp; Ok=20
  example, pretend for a minute the MX points to you and you don't know=20
  the<BR>&nbsp; owner and track down the bounces from <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:doh@theyscrewedusagain.com">doh@theyscrewedusagain.com</A>=
 and=20
  that's a<BR>&nbsp; .COM, you should try it with a .INFO<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:4144aa77$1@w3.nls.net">news:4144aa77$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Again you make this silly suggestion.&nbsp; Why would a spammer do=20
  something<BR>like<BR>&nbsp; this that provides a tracable record that =
is a=20
  legal liability for them.<BR>They<BR>&nbsp; should just as easily have =
no MX=20
  record or an MX record that points to an<BR>&nbsp; invalid IP.&nbsp; =
Both of=20
  which have the same effect of mail to their domain not<BR>&nbsp; being =

  deliverable which is all you claim they want.&nbsp; It's one thing to=20
  create<BR>a<BR>&nbsp; liability by spammer for which they derive=20
  revenue.&nbsp; It's another to create<BR>one<BR>&nbsp; which provides=20
  liability only.<BR><BR>&nbsp; =
Rich<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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