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Text 6080, 162 rader
Skriven 2005-07-15 14:37:32 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6079 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   Do you really believe that your doors and windows protect you from =
outright attack?  If so you are surely going to be sorry.  You escape = harm
simply because you one attacks you.  Post instructions on how to do = so and
thereby lower the threshold and you will increase the likelihood = of attack. 
If someone like eeye came to you and said that they would = sell you protection
and at the same time provided attackers the = information they need, how you
would feel about that extortion?

   Where do you get the idea that detailed instructions are missing?  =
Maybe the description isn't sufficient for you but I assure you that it = is
sufficient for others.  And this example, which I'm sure you picked = because
you thought it weak on details, is not representitive.  If you = want to
demonstrate that they do not cause the great harm that they do = you will need
to show that they never do this not that there exists a = single instance where
you thought they did not.

Rich

  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d822d0@w3.nls.net...
  First off, if the security of my home was compromised by a flaw in a =
consumer product I would fully support the posting of the details of = that
flaw.

  Second, the detailed exploit instructions are not there, only a flaw =
description is there and only that description is what I and others want =
access to. I believe the attached is the detailed exploit instructions = and
they are only for a DOS not for the remote root exploit. Of course = since you
claim this is already available to all of us at the eeye URL I = linked to you
shouldn't have an issue with me posting it here, huh?

  Geo.
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d7d7c8@w3.nls.net...
       Such bullshit.  It's not just that you are paranoid, you are =
being silly.  Please post the detailed instructions for anyone to break = into
your home and kill your wife and family.  You shouldn't keep this = information
exclusive to you.  Others may find this useful to protect = themselves.  If it
puts your family at risk, so what.  "Information" = like this should be free
for all.

       As for the eeye press release to which you refer, it sure does =
provide detailed instructions.  It may be that you don't recognize the =
terminology but it is there, specific, and detailed.

    Rich

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you really believe that =
your doors=20
and windows protect you from outright attack?&nbsp; If so you are surely =
going=20
to be sorry.&nbsp; You escape harm simply because you one attacks =
you.&nbsp;=20
Post instructions on how to do so and thereby lower the threshold and = you
will=20
increase the likelihood of attack.&nbsp; If someone like eeye came to = you
and=20
said that they would sell you protection and at the same time provided =
attackers=20
the information they need, how you would feel about that =
extortion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Where do you get the idea =
that=20
detailed instructions are missing?&nbsp; Maybe the description isn't =
sufficient=20
for you but I assure you that it is sufficient for others.&nbsp; And = this=20
example, which I'm sure you picked because you thought it weak on = details,
is=20
not representitive.&nbsp; If you want to demonstrate that they do not = cause
the=20
great harm that they do you will need to show that they never do this = not
that=20
there exists a single instance where you thought they did = not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42d822d0@w3.nls.net">news:42d822d0@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off, if the security of my home =
was=20
  compromised by a flaw in a consumer product I would fully support the =
posting=20
  of the details of that flaw.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Second, the&nbsp;detailed exploit =
instructions=20
  are not there, only a flaw description is there and only that =
description is=20
  what I and others want access to. I believe the attached is =
the&nbsp;detailed=20
  exploit&nbsp;instructions and they are only for a DOS not for the =
remote root=20
  exploit. Of course since you claim this is already available to all of =

  us&nbsp;at the eeye URL I linked to you shouldn't have an issue with =
me=20
  posting it here, huh?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42d7d7c8@w3.nls.net">news:42d7d7c8@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Such bullshit.&nbsp; =
It's not just=20
    that you are paranoid, you are being silly.&nbsp; Please post the =
detailed=20
    instructions for anyone to break into your home and kill your wife =
and=20
    family.&nbsp; You shouldn't keep this information exclusive to =
you.&nbsp;=20
    Others may find this useful to protect themselves.&nbsp; If it puts =
your=20
    family at risk, so what.&nbsp; "Information" like this should be =
free for=20
    all.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; As for the eeye press =
release to=20
    which you refer, it sure does provide detailed instructions.&nbsp; =
It may be=20
    that you don't recognize the terminology but it is there, specific, =
and=20
    detailed.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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