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Text 6133, 252 rader
Skriven 2005-07-17 18:16:00 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6131 av Geo (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Disk perf
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   It can't get any faster than the network traffic.  I'm at least 15 =
hops from the nyt.  If their servers are on the east cost you will be = much
closer.  Since all the downloads are small latency matters more = than
throughput which is why with everything cached it still took six = seconds for
me.

Rich

  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42dafff1@w3.nls.net...
  I just clicked and counted, 1...2...3..finished

  I'm serious though, set your cache to 1mb, purge it, go to that =
/content.ie5 directory and purge it as well then give it a try.

  Geo.
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42dafba4@w3.nls.net...
       You can't compare two machines connected to different networks at =
different times of the day.

       Did you measure the 4 seconds by counting or measuring?  I used a =
network capture with timestamps for all the packets.  The time I = reported is
from the first request to the last request.  I should have = included the last
response so my numbers, which I rounded down to whole = seconds, would actually
be a bit longer.

    Rich

      "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42dae95a$1@w3.nls.net...
      I clicked on your NYT link and my browser started up and the page =
came up in less than 4 seconds total. Perhaps instead of an empty cache = you
should try it with your cache set to 1mb.

      Geo.
        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d9397d@w3.nls.net...
           Because the cache still has a very significant performance =
benefit and even with DSL speeds pages take far longer than a blink to =
appear.  For example, I just tried www.nytimes.com with an empty cache.  =
There are 86 HTTP requests that take 10 seconds.  With the cache it only = took
6 seconds.

           Your ideas on DNS are equally silly, particularly because DNS =
is explicitly a multi-level cache.

        Rich

          "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d9304a$1@w3.nls.net...
          "Frank Haber" <frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com> wrote in message
          news:42d84be9$1@w3.nls.net...
          > (Browser cache)
          >
          > Firefox and Moz come set to 50MB.  I find that a good round =
number.

          When I was on dialup, 5mb seemed like a good cache (50 munutes =
to download
          5mb), because cache made a difference. On todays DSL connected =
computers,
          nothing but the previous 4 or so pages should be cached, it's =
just a huge
          waste since it only takes a blink to bring up a page on DSL. =
Why todays
          browsers continue this outdated practice and don't sense the =
connection
          speed and adjust accordingly is beyond me.

          It's the same logic as the DNS client cache, both these =
caching functions
          create limited problems from time to time, the goal should be =
to get away
          from problematic methods and go for reliability. Of course =
that's a concept
          that's foreign to most programmers today, they are blind to =
the idea of
          dropping an obsolete function and would rather waste time =
trying to cure the
          problems it creates.

          Geo.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It can't get any faster =
than the=20
network traffic.&nbsp; I'm at least 15 hops from the nyt.&nbsp; If their =
servers=20
are on the east cost you will be much closer.&nbsp; Since all the = downloads
are=20
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cached=20
it still took six seconds for me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42dafff1@w3.nls.net">news:42dafff1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just clicked and counted,=20
  1...2...3..finished</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm serious though, set your cache to =
1mb, purge=20
  it, go to that /content.ie5 directory and purge it as well then give =
it a=20
  try.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42dafba4@w3.nls.net">news:42dafba4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't compare two =
machines=20
    connected to different networks at different times of the =
day.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Did you measure the 4 =
seconds by=20
    counting or measuring?&nbsp; I used a network capture with =
timestamps for=20
    all the packets.&nbsp; The time I reported is from the first request =
to the=20
    last request.&nbsp; I should have included the last response so my =
numbers,=20
    which I rounded down to whole seconds, would actually be a bit=20
    longer.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
      wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42dae95a$1@w3.nls.net">news:42dae95a$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I clicked on your NYT link and my =
browser=20
      started up and the page came up in less than 4 seconds total. =
Perhaps=20
      instead of an empty cache you should try it with your cache set to =

      1mb.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:42d9397d@w3.nls.net">news:42d9397d@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Because the cache =
still has a=20
        very significant performance benefit and even with DSL speeds =
pages take=20
        far longer than a blink to appear.&nbsp; For example, I just =
tried <A=20
        href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com">www.nytimes.com</A> with an =
empty=20
        cache.&nbsp; There are 86 HTTP requests that take 10 =
seconds.&nbsp; With=20
        the cache it only took 6 seconds.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your ideas on DNS =
are equally=20
        silly, particularly because DNS is explicitly a multi-level=20
        cache.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
          <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:42d9304a$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d9304a$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>"Frank=20
          Haber" &lt;<A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com</A>&gt; wrote=20
          in message<BR><A=20
          =
href=3D"news:42d84be9$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d84be9$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;=20
          (Browser cache)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Firefox and Moz come set to=20
          50MB.&nbsp; I find that a good round number.<BR><BR>When I was =
on=20
          dialup, 5mb seemed like a good cache (50 munutes to =
download<BR>5mb),=20
          because cache made a difference. On todays DSL connected=20
          computers,<BR>nothing but the previous 4 or so pages should be =
cached,=20
          it's just a huge<BR>waste since it only takes a blink to bring =
up a=20
          page on DSL. Why todays<BR>browsers continue this outdated =
practice=20
          and don't sense the connection<BR>speed and adjust accordingly =
is=20
          beyond me.<BR><BR>It's the same logic as the DNS client cache, =
both=20
          these caching functions<BR>create limited problems from time =
to time,=20
          the goal should be to get away<BR>from problematic methods and =
go for=20
          reliability. Of course that's a concept<BR>that's foreign to =
most=20
          programmers today, they are blind to the idea of<BR>dropping =
an=20
          obsolete function and would rather waste time trying to cure=20
          the<BR>problems it=20
    =
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