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Text 6750, 265 rader
Skriven 2005-08-27 11:06:18 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6742 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: TPM
===============
From: "Rich" <@>

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   You don't have to use a TPM even if your computer has one.  If you =
just want a smartcard you could have had one for years.  A TPM builtin =
provides other benefits.

Rich

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message =
news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net...
  >   VT is virtualization.

  Yep, know that, it's my specialty.

  >LT is security.  Neither is what george likes to call DRM.

  True.

  >What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart card like=20
  >functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) >provided by a =
TPM=20
  >chip.

  That's the one I don't like.   A smartcard idea I maybe could live =
with, but=20
  it would have to be both optional for the OS and machine, and portable =

  between machines.  Like a key basically, I carry it to whatever =
machine I=20
  happen to be using it at the time, rather than it being tied to a =
specific=20
  piece of hardware, and you should have the ability to own more than =
just one=20
  key.

  - Bob Comer


  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net...
     VT is virtualization.  LT is security.  Neither is what george =
likes to=20
  call DRM.  What he tries to spin as something sinister is the smart =
card=20
  like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware crypto) provided by =
a TPM=20
  chip.

  Rich

    "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message=20
  news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net...
    Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do =
about it
    either -- it's for the masses to decide about.

    For now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it.  I =
don't do
    any media other than broadcast TV on my PC.  I'll probably get a new
    processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and yes, DRM, but that =
doesn't
    mean I have to allow the DRM part to make any difference to what I =
want to
    do.

    Eventually there will probably be some computer/OS company that will =

  emerge
    to satisfy our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed =
until
    everyone else catches up and they revolt.

    - Bob Comer



    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net...
    > All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology=20
  companies
    > can enforce more restrictions on how we use technology in order to =

  extort
    > more money for the same shit.
    >
    > Once it becomes possible to prevent you from upgrading your OS =
without
    > upgrading your computer, or to prevent you from upgrading your =
computer
    > without upgrading your OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be =
able=20
  to
    > resist the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows =
should
    > allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I somehow =
think
    > that's the kind of limitations we are headed for.
    >
    > Intel is going to have to include that type of tech to make Apple =
happy,
    > especially in light of the recent news that OSX was running on non =
Apple
    > PC's already...
    >
    > Geo.
    >
    > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    > news:430eed74@w3.nls.net...
    >> I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm hardware =
for
    > palladium
    >> just like intel did.
    >>
    >> - Bob Comer
    >
    >



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You don't have to use a =
TPM even if=20
your computer has one.&nbsp; If you just want a smartcard you could have = had
one=20
for years.&nbsp; A TPM builtin provides other benefits.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Robert Comer" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net">news:43108b95$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  VT is virtualization.<BR><BR>Yep, know that, it's my =
specialty.<BR><BR>&gt;LT=20
  is security.&nbsp; Neither is what george likes to call=20
  DRM.<BR><BR>True.<BR><BR>&gt;What he tries to spin as something =
sinister is=20
  the smart card like <BR>&gt;functionality (e.g. secure storage, =
hardware=20
  crypto) &gt;provided by a TPM <BR>&gt;chip.<BR><BR>That's the one I =
don't=20
  like.&nbsp;&nbsp; A smartcard idea I maybe could live with, but <BR>it =
would=20
  have to be both optional for the OS and machine, and portable =
<BR>between=20
  machines.&nbsp; Like a key basically, I carry it to whatever machine I =

  <BR>happen to be using it at the time, rather than it being tied to a =
specific=20
  <BR>piece of hardware, and you should have the ability to own more =
than just=20
  one <BR>key.<BR><BR>- Bob Comer<BR><BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in =
message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net">news:430ff6af@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
  VT is virtualization.&nbsp; LT is security.&nbsp; Neither is what =
george likes=20
  to <BR>call DRM.&nbsp; What he tries to spin as something sinister is =
the=20
  smart card <BR>like functionality (e.g. secure storage, hardware =
crypto)=20
  provided by a TPM <BR>chip.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Robert Comer" =
&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message <BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net">news:430fdaf8$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  Yep, it looks like it's coming, probably not anything we can do about=20
  it<BR>&nbsp; either -- it's for the masses to decide =
about.<BR><BR>&nbsp; For=20
  now, no DRM media stuff for me at all, I refuse to use it.&nbsp; I =
don't=20
  do<BR>&nbsp; any media other than broadcast TV on my PC.&nbsp; I'll =
probably=20
  get a new<BR>&nbsp; processor soon, with VT, dual or quad core, and =
yes, DRM,=20
  but that doesn't<BR>&nbsp; mean I have to allow the DRM part to make =
any=20
  difference to what I want to<BR>&nbsp; do.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Eventually =
there will=20
  probably be some computer/OS company that will <BR>emerge<BR>&nbsp; to =
satisfy=20
  our computing needs, but for entertainment, we're screwed =
until<BR>&nbsp;=20
  everyone else catches up and they revolt.<BR><BR>&nbsp; - Bob=20
  Comer<BR><BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net">news:430fbaa3$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  &gt; All this DRM crap is nothing but a power grab so that technology=20
  <BR>companies<BR>&nbsp; &gt; can enforce more restrictions on how we =
use=20
  technology in order to <BR>extort<BR>&nbsp; &gt; more money for the =
same=20
  shit.<BR>&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp; &gt; Once it becomes possible to =
prevent you=20
  from upgrading your OS without<BR>&nbsp; &gt; upgrading your computer, =
or to=20
  prevent you from upgrading your computer<BR>&nbsp; &gt; without =
upgrading your=20
  OS, do you really think Intel or MS will be able <BR>to<BR>&nbsp; &gt; =
resist=20
  the temptation? Do you think a computer sold with windows =
should<BR>&nbsp;=20
  &gt; allow the user to remove windows and install Linux cause I =
somehow=20
  think<BR>&nbsp; &gt; that's the kind of limitations we are headed=20
  for.<BR>&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp; &gt; Intel is going to have to include =
that type=20
  of tech to make Apple happy,<BR>&nbsp; &gt; especially in light of the =
recent=20
  news that OSX was running on non Apple<BR>&nbsp; &gt; PC's=20
  already...<BR>&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp; &gt; Geo.<BR>&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp; =
&gt;=20
  "Robert Comer" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
  message<BR>&nbsp; &gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:430eed74@w3.nls.net">news:430eed74@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>&nbs=
p;=20
  &gt;&gt; I don't know if any do yet, but they agreed to do drm =
hardware=20
  for<BR>&nbsp; &gt; palladium<BR>&nbsp; &gt;&gt; just like intel =
did.<BR>&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&gt;<BR>&nbsp; &gt;&gt; - Bob Comer<BR>&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&nbsp;=20
  &gt;<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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