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Skriven 2005-08-28 17:29:50 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6807 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: TPM
===============
From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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Only in response to your use of the term TPM, you won't find me using = "TPM"
in any of my previous posts concerning DRM which is what you were = commenting
about with your "Neither is what george likes to call DRM." = statement.

"It" referrs to DRM. In the case of the CPU that's probably a function = that
requires that any cards or devices you connect to the computer = comply with
the CCI and AKE requirements before being allowed access to = any protected
content. I don't really know what they have tucked into = the CPU, I just know
they are doing the "no unannounced drm" dance = instead of stating clearly that
it doesn't contain ANY NEW drm that = wasn't in previous Pentiums.

Personally I think the whole thing is stupid, DRM isn't going to stop = the
media underground, it's going to accelerate it, all DRM is going to = do is
prove useful to create more restrictive licensing terms for = software,
something that is really going to get under my skin and quite = honestly is
going to result in MS losing it's position as king of the = hill. I really
don't want to see that happen, I like MS products.

Geo.


  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43120917@w3.nls.net...
     You wrote

    Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to add a TPM chip, since =
then they
    have decided to integrate it directly into the CPU. Pentium D is the =
first
    of these CPUs.

  What do you mean by "it"?  If you don't mean the TPM then what exactly =
is "it" that is being integrated into the Pentium D?  Honestly, I think = you
have no clue and you are repeating garbage others have told you.

  Rich


    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net...
    I didn't say TPM's are built into the Pentium D as I NEVER EVEN USE =
THE TERM "TPM", I said it contains DRM. Stop being such an ass.

    Geo.
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net...
         Your bogus claims regarding DRM were in regard to TPMs.  You =
are wrong that TPMs are built in to the Pentium D.  Again, your = spreading
misinformation makes you look like an idiot.  You should read = up only this
from from honest credible sources.

      Rich

        "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311e782@w3.nls.net...
        I'm only trying to comment on what you are claiming about ME =
with your "what George likes to call DRM" comment. If anyone here is = guilty
of spreading misinformation, it's you, I'm correcting that = misinformation..

        Geo.
          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311df6d$1@w3.nls.net...
             I'm neither talking up or talking down TPMs.  Your =
spreading misinformation or making claims based on misinformation isn't = going
to help you make a point.  It just makes you look like an idiot.

          Rich

            "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311ddfb@w3.nls.net...
            You are the one talking up TPM, i'm talking about your =
comment  quoted for your convenience below, on my view of DRM which is = what
I'm saying the CPU now contains. I could care less to get limited = in scope to
only TPM as that could be something as simple as encryption = or a watermark.

            Geo.
              "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311d082$1@w3.nls.net...
                 The TPM is not in the CPU.  You need honest and =
accurate sources of info.  Neither link you give is.

              Rich

                "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311b913@w3.nls.net...
                "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in =
message
                news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net...

                >        VT is virtualization.  LT is security.  Neither =
is what george
                likes
                > to
                >     call DRM.

                Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to add a TPM =
chip, since then they
                have decided to integrate it directly into the CPU. =
Pentium D is the first
                of these CPUs.

                Here's the problem:

                http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html

                and

                http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

                Rich can spin it any way he likes but anyone who reads =
either of those
                articles above will have a pretty clear understanding of =
my issues with it.

                Geo.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only in response to your use of the =
term TPM, you=20
won't find me using "TPM" in any of my previous posts concerning DRM = which
is=20
what you were commenting about with your "<FONT size=3D3>Neither is what =
george=20
likes&nbsp;to&nbsp;call DRM." statement.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>"It" referrs to DRM. In =
the case of=20
the CPU that's probably a function that requires that any cards or = devices
you=20
connect to the computer comply with the CCI and AKE requirements before =
being=20
allowed access to any protected content. I don't really know what they =
have=20
tucked into the CPU, I just know they are doing the "no unannounced drm" =
dance=20
instead of stating clearly that it doesn't contain ANY NEW drm that = wasn't
in=20
previous Pentiums.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Personally I think the whole thing is stupid, =
DRM isn't=20
going to stop the media underground, it's going to accelerate it, all = DRM
is=20
going to do is prove useful to create more restrictive licensing terms = for=20
software, something that is really going to get under my skin and quite =
honestly=20
is going to result in MS losing it's position as king of the hill. I =
really=20
don't want to see that happen, I like MS products.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:43120917@w3.nls.net">news:43120917@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You wrote</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000>Initially the idea that the TCPA had was =
to add a=20
    TPM chip, since then they<BR>have decided to integrate it directly =
into the=20
    CPU. Pentium D is the first<BR>of these =
CPUs.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What do you mean by "it"?&nbsp; If =
you don't mean=20
  the TPM then what exactly is "it" that is being integrated into the =
Pentium=20
  D?&nbsp; Honestly, I think you have no clue and you are repeating =
garbage=20
  others have told you.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net">news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't say TPM's are built into =
the Pentium D=20
    as I NEVER EVEN USE THE TERM "TPM", I said it contains DRM. Stop =
being such=20
    an ass.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net">news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your bogus claims =
regarding DRM=20
      were in regard to TPMs.&nbsp; You are wrong that TPMs are built in =
to the=20
      Pentium D.&nbsp; Again, your spreading&nbsp;misinformation makes =
you look=20
      like an idiot.&nbsp; You should read up only this from from honest =

      credible sources.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
        wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:4311e782@w3.nls.net">news:4311e782@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm only trying to comment on =
what you are=20
        claiming about ME with your "what George likes to call DRM" =
comment. If=20
        anyone here is guilty of spreading misinformation, it's you, I'm =

        correcting that misinformation..</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:4311df6d$1@w3.nls.net">news:4311df6d$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm neither =
talking up or=20
          talking down TPMs.&nbsp; Your spreading misinformation or =
making=20
          claims based on misinformation isn't going to help you make a=20
          point.&nbsp; It just makes you look like an =
idiot.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
          style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
            <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
            href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
            message <A=20
            =
href=3D"news:4311ddfb@w3.nls.net">news:4311ddfb@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are the one talking up =
TPM, i'm=20
            talking about your comment&nbsp; quoted for your convenience =
below,=20
            on my view of DRM which is what I'm saying the CPU now =
contains. I=20
            could care less to get limited in scope to only TPM as that =
could be=20
            something as simple as encryption or a =
watermark.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
            style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
              <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
              =
href=3D"news:4311d082$1@w3.nls.net">news:4311d082$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The TPM is =
not in the=20
              CPU.&nbsp; You need honest and accurate sources of =
info.&nbsp;=20
              Neither link you give is.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <BLOCKQUOTE=20
              style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
                <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
                href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
                message <A=20
                =
href=3D"news:4311b913@w3.nls.net">news:4311b913@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
obert=20
                Comer" &lt;<A=20
                =
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>&gt;=20
                wrote in message<BR><A=20
                =
href=3D"news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net">news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
                VT is virtualization.&nbsp; LT is security.&nbsp; =
Neither is=20
                what george<BR>likes<BR>&gt; =
to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
                call DRM.<BR><BR>Initially the idea that the TCPA had =
was to add=20
                a TPM chip, since then they<BR>have decided to integrate =
it=20
                directly into the CPU. Pentium D is the first<BR>of =
these=20
                CPUs.<BR><BR>Here's the problem:<BR><BR><A=20
                =
href=3D"http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html">http://www.cl.c=
am.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html</A><BR><BR>and<BR><BR><A=20
                =
href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html">http://www.gnu.=
org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html</A><BR><BR>Rich=20
                can spin it any way he likes but anyone who reads either =
of=20
                those<BR>articles above will have a pretty clear =
understanding=20
                of my issues with=20
          =
it.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT=
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