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Ärende: Re: File-sharing Republican blogger tackles Orrin 'hollywood' Hatch
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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I get them on my abuse@ email addresses.
Geo. (talk about stupid)
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4325a7b3@w3.nls.net...
That is not weird. That is typical. If mike is honest that he =
only gets them on an account specific to ebay his case would be the very =
weird one.
Rich
"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message =
news:athai11iafqv0sc5h11n2gj0aggc35be3c@4ax.com...
The weirdest thing is that I have a fake yahoo email that I have =
never
used on eBay (actually I haven't been to eBay in about 6 years), and =
I
have never been to PayPal at all, and I get all these phishing spams
there for eBay and PayPal.
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:54:24 -0400, Mike '/m' <mike@barkto.com> =
wrote in
message <7bd9i1pohv0qoe8a7pchpm9qa8tuu84k0a@4ax.com>:
>
>Oh yeah. I get tons of phishing emails on the email account I use =
for
>eBay. They are quick to spot, a quick look at the email header =
gives
>them away.
>
> /m
>
>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:45:13 -0700, Ellen K. =
<72322.1016@compuserve.com>
>wrote:
>
>>And PayPal and eBay are the two biggest phishing targets.
>>
>>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:37:27 -0400, Mike '/m' <mike@barkto.com> =
wrote in
>>message <1nj8i15dmecsdo7qal1u6iilt14sceopal@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>I've got a PayPal account, but I refuse to allow PayPal to have =
direct
>>>access to my checking account. PayPal is good for that =
occasional eBay
>>>purchase.
>>>
>>> /m
>>>
>>>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:13:02 -0400, "Geo" <georger@nls.net> =
wrote:
>>>
>>>>why is it these people all assume you have a paypal account or =
even want
>>>>one?
>>>>
>>>>Geo.
>>>>
>>>>"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43242c3a@w3.nls.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> =
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/09/urquhart_file-share_hatch/
>>>>>
>>>>> Interview A US politician challenging the pro-Hollywood Utah =
Senator Orrin
>>>>> Hatch is supporting file-sharing as a means to promote =
business innovation
>>>>> and keep the internet free.
>>>>>
>>>>> Republican challenger Steve Urquhart is taking a pro-small =
business and
>>>>> creative commons stance against Hatch, arguing that hobbling =
file-sharing
>>>>> technology through government legislation, that is enforced =
through the
>>>>> courts, is bad for business. Urquhart is running for the GOP =
seat against
>>>>> Hatch in 2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> Urquhart has talked out against Hatch's proposed Induce Act, a =
bill that
>>>>> world make "the intentional inducement of copyright =
infringement" an
>>>>> offense. He is also critical of the Digital Millennium =
Copyright Act
>>>>(DCMA),
>>>>> backed by Hatch - and others - and signed into law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Urquhart, whose campaign seeks donations from internet users, =
not just
>>>>those
>>>>> living and voting in his native land of Utah, believes Hatch's =
legislation
>>>>> plays into the hands of big, corporate media interests and =
helps stifle
>>>>> small business.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Senator Hatch has shown that he doesn't understand the =
internet, or at
>>>>> least, he does not welcome the kind of democratizing tool it =
can be,"
>>>>> Urquhart told The Register.
>>>>>
>>>>> "File-sharing technology is value-neutral and it's amazing. =
The technology
>>>>> should be lauded. Like most good things, though, it can be =
used in
>>>>> inappropriate ways. In those cases, the actions, not the =
technology should
>>>>> be discouraged," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Urquhart is sharply critical of both Hatch and the Induce Act, =
and the
>>>>> defense they use of protecting copyright. "I think the threat =
of potential
>>>>> copyright suits by Hollywood and the recording industry makes =
it difficult
>>>>> for new businesses to compete. Small businesses simply won't =
bother to
>>>>enter
>>>>> the fray or will fold at the first threat of a suit - even =
when what they
>>>>> are doing is legal," Urquhart said.
>>>>>
>>>>> He noted big organizations like Disney have built massive =
franchises by
>>>>> taking prior art from the common culture and slapping on their =
own
>>>>> copyright, thereby claiming ownership. "Walt Disney built an =
empire by
>>>>> taking public domain works like Cinderella and dressing them =
up with his
>>>>> imagination," Urquhart said.
>>>>>
>>>>> He believes the reason legislation like the Induce Act has =
become possible
>>>>> is a result of the lobbying power of entrenched business and =
what he
>>>>called:
>>>>> "The lack of appreciation for how fundamentally different the =
economy and
>>>>> business are today than they were when these [politicians] =
left real life
>>>>> and entered the beltway."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Politicians can best help . . . the internet community by =
staying out of
>>>>> the way. Politicians usually are a few steps behind society. =
When it comes
>>>>> to the internet, they are laps behind," Urquhart said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Urquhart is a keen blogger and is using his online campaign =
against Hatch
>>>>to
>>>>> encourage techies to flex their muscle. The candidate said =
he'd attracted
>>>>> "significant" support from internet users and "many" tech =
backers in his
>>>>> efforts to raise between $750,000 and $1m to fund the 2006 =
campaign
>>>>against
>>>>> Hatch.
>>>>>
>>>>> He claims internet users supporting him share a common chord =
of wanting a
>>>>> senator who understands the internet, and its role in the =
economy, and who
>>>>> is willing to fight to protect the part it plays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Voting out the incumbent will also send the message to =
lawmakers in the US
>>>>> Congress about the value of file sharing and how the Induce =
Act, and
>>>>similar
>>>>> works like the defunct Consumer Broadband and Digital =
Television Promotion
>>>>> Act sponsored by Senator Fritz Hollings - a.k.a "the Senator =
from
>>>>Disney" -
>>>>> are ill conceived.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'm confident that if the technical community were to help =
turn out
>>>>Senator
>>>>> Hatch, 534 other people in Washington would pay closer =
attention to
>>>>> technology in the future," Urquhart said.=AE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get them on my abuse@ email=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo. (talk about stupid)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:4325a7b3@w3.nls.net">news:4325a7b3@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> That is not weird. =
That is=20
typical. If mike is honest that he only gets them on an account =
specific=20
to ebay his case would be the very weird one.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Ellen K." <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:72322.1016@compuserve.com">72322.1016@compuserve.com</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:athai11iafqv0sc5h11n2gj0aggc35be3c@4ax.com">news:athai11iafq=
v0sc5h11n2gj0aggc35be3c@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>The=20
weirdest thing is that I have a fake yahoo email that I have =
never<BR>used=20
on eBay (actually I haven't been to eBay in about 6 years), and =
I<BR>have=20
never been to PayPal at all, and I get all these phishing =
spams<BR>there for=20
eBay and PayPal.<BR><BR>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:54:24 -0400, Mike =
'/m' <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> wrote =
in<BR>message=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:7bd9i1pohv0qoe8a7pchpm9qa8tuu84k0a@4ax.com">7bd9i1pohv0qoe=
8a7pchpm9qa8tuu84k0a@4ax.com</A>>:<BR><BR>><BR>>Oh=20
yeah. I get tons of phishing emails on the email account I use =
for<BR>>eBay. They are quick to spot, a quick look at the =
email=20
header gives<BR>>them away.<BR>><BR>> /m<BR>><BR>>On =
Sun, 11=20
Sep 2005 14:45:13 -0700, Ellen K. <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:72322.1016@compuserve.com">72322.1016@compuserve.com</A>&g=
t;<BR>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>>And=20
PayPal and eBay are the two biggest phishing=20
targets.<BR>>><BR>>>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:37:27 -0400, =
Mike=20
'/m' <<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>> =
wrote=20
in<BR>>>message <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:1nj8i15dmecsdo7qal1u6iilt14sceopal@4ax.com">1nj8i15dmecsdo=
7qal1u6iilt14sceopal@4ax.com</A>>:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR>>=
>>I've=20
got a PayPal account, but I refuse to allow PayPal to have=20
direct<BR>>>>access to my checking account. PayPal is =
good=20
for that occasional=20
eBay<BR>>>>purchase.<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
/m<BR>>>><BR>>>>On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:13:02 =
-0400, "Geo"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>>why is it these people all =
assume=20
you have a paypal account or even=20
=
want<BR>>>>>one?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Geo.<=
BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Rich=20
Gauszka" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
=
message<BR>>>>>news:43242c3a@w3.nls.net...<BR>>>>>=
;><BR>>>>>>=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/09/urquhart_file-share_hatch=
/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/09/urquhart_file-share_hatch/</A>=
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
Interview A US politician challenging the pro-Hollywood Utah Senator =
Orrin<BR>>>>>> Hatch is supporting file-sharing as a =
means to=20
promote business innovation<BR>>>>>> and keep the =
internet=20
free.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Republican =
challenger=20
Steve Urquhart is taking a pro-small business =
and<BR>>>>>>=20
creative commons stance against Hatch, arguing that hobbling=20
file-sharing<BR>>>>>> technology through government=20
legislation, that is enforced through the<BR>>>>>> =
courts, is=20
bad for business. Urquhart is running for the GOP seat=20
against<BR>>>>>> Hatch in=20
2006.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Urquhart has =
talked=20
out against Hatch's proposed Induce Act, a bill =
that<BR>>>>>>=20
world make "the intentional inducement of copyright infringement"=20
an<BR>>>>>> offense. He is also critical of the =
Digital=20
Millennium Copyright =
Act<BR>>>>>(DCMA),<BR>>>>>>=20
backed by Hatch - and others - and signed into=20
law.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Urquhart, whose =
campaign seeks donations from internet users, not=20
just<BR>>>>>those<BR>>>>>> living and =
voting in=20
his native land of Utah, believes Hatch's=20
legislation<BR>>>>>> plays into the hands of big, =
corporate=20
media interests and helps stifle<BR>>>>>> small=20
business.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> "Senator =
Hatch has=20
shown that he doesn't understand the internet, or =
at<BR>>>>>>=20
least, he does not welcome the kind of democratizing tool it can=20
be,"<BR>>>>>> Urquhart told The=20
Register.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> =
"File-sharing=20
technology is value-neutral and it's amazing. The=20
technology<BR>>>>>> should be lauded. Like most good =
things,=20
though, it can be used in<BR>>>>>> inappropriate =
ways. In=20
those cases, the actions, not the technology =
should<BR>>>>>>=20
be discouraged," he =
said.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
Urquhart is sharply critical of both Hatch and the Induce Act, and=20
the<BR>>>>>> defense they use of protecting =
copyright. "I=20
think the threat of potential<BR>>>>>> copyright =
suits by=20
Hollywood and the recording industry makes it=20
difficult<BR>>>>>> for new businesses to compete. =
Small=20
businesses simply won't bother=20
to<BR>>>>>enter<BR>>>>>> the fray or will =
fold at=20
the first threat of a suit - even when what =
they<BR>>>>>> are=20
doing is legal," Urquhart=20
said.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> He noted big=20
organizations like Disney have built massive franchises=20
by<BR>>>>>> taking prior art from the common culture =
and=20
slapping on their own<BR>>>>>> copyright, thereby =
claiming=20
ownership. "Walt Disney built an empire by<BR>>>>>> =
taking=20
public domain works like Cinderella and dressing them up with=20
his<BR>>>>>> imagination," Urquhart=20
said.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> He believes =
the reason=20
legislation like the Induce Act has become =
possible<BR>>>>>>=20
is a result of the lobbying power of entrenched business and what=20
he<BR>>>>>called:<BR>>>>>> "The lack of=20
appreciation for how fundamentally different the economy=20
and<BR>>>>>> business are today than they were when =
these=20
[politicians] left real life<BR>>>>>> and entered the =
beltway."<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> =
"Politicians can=20
best help . . . the internet community by staying out=20
of<BR>>>>>> the way. Politicians usually are a few =
steps=20
behind society. When it comes<BR>>>>>> to the =
internet, they=20
are laps behind," Urquhart=20
said.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Urquhart is a =
keen=20
blogger and is using his online campaign against=20
Hatch<BR>>>>>to<BR>>>>>> encourage =
techies to=20
flex their muscle. The candidate said he'd =
attracted<BR>>>>>>=20
"significant" support from internet users and "many" tech backers in =
his<BR>>>>>> efforts to raise between $750,000 and =
$1m to=20
fund the 2006 =
campaign<BR>>>>>against<BR>>>>>>=20
Hatch.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> He claims =
internet=20
users supporting him share a common chord of wanting=20
a<BR>>>>>> senator who understands the internet, and =
its role=20
in the economy, and who<BR>>>>>> is willing to fight =
to=20
protect the part it =
plays.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=20
Voting out the incumbent will also send the message to lawmakers in =
the=20
US<BR>>>>>> Congress about the value of file sharing =
and how=20
the Induce Act, =
and<BR>>>>>similar<BR>>>>>> works=20
like the defunct Consumer Broadband and Digital Television=20
Promotion<BR>>>>>> Act sponsored by Senator Fritz =
Hollings -=20
a.k.a "the Senator from<BR>>>>>Disney" =
-<BR>>>>>>=20
are ill conceived.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> =
"I'm=20
confident that if the technical community were to help turn=20
out<BR>>>>>Senator<BR>>>>>> Hatch, 534 =
other=20
people in Washington would pay closer attention =
to<BR>>>>>>=20
technology in the future," Urquhart=20
=
said.=AE<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>&=
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