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Skriven 2005-11-10 22:16:48 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 8166 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Windows Vista video enhancements
============================================
From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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It wasn't sensitive in the newshell, it took a long time before they did =
anything about it.

As for vista thumbnails, great, I've seen that in action in XP when I = would
open a directory full of video files and the stupid thing would = default to
thumbnail view and take 10 minutes to display the directory.. = Now it gets
extended to documents and everything else, wonderful I can't = wait.

You know what would be helpful, if they would multithread the explorer = so
that when I open "my computer" where I have a bunch of remote = attached drives
I don't have to wait for the authentication before it = populates the window,
just show a place holder and let a separate thread = retrieve the remote stuff
while the UI responds with what it has now. = Have they added that yet?

Geo.
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:437408a4@w3.nls.net...
     You must not remember that you have complained to me about this =
many times over the years often together with silly suggestions over how = you
would optimize it.  You have probably forgotten that icon = extraction, which
is not specific to EXEs, was sensitive to link speed.

     I'm sure you will have more reason to complain since in Windows =
Vista there will be more use of thumbnails.  Today you get thumbnails = for an
image file but not a document.  In Windows Vista you should see = thumbnails
for the document too.  From =
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx

    Thumbnails=20
    New scalable thumbnails are used throughout Windows to show you the =
actual first page for documents, the actual photo for photos, a screen =
capture for videos, and album art for individual songs. By previewing = the
actual contents of a file at a glance, you'll find what you want = more quickly
without the trial-and-error of opening files to preview = them.=20

    You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers as live icons; when you rest =
the mouse pointer over a minimized window on the Task Bar; and when you = flip
through open windows using the features codenamed "Flip" and "Flip = 3D".


  Rich


    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:43740176@w3.nls.net...
    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net...

    >>   Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in Windows =
98 and
    maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows 2000.  You can see
    screenshots of a translucent calculator at
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp.  =
LDDM is
    more than that.<<

    Yes and it is so typical of the win9x team to go overboard like =
that. Let me
    tell you a little story.

    Back when the newshell was being done, one of the things that users =
asked
    for was better icons. They wanted to see a word doc look different =
from a
    notepad text file (remember the days of program manager/file =
manager?).
    Anyway the guys doing the newshell for win9x went overboard, instead =
of
    standard icons based on file extensions they had to allow different =
icons
    for every .exe file, you know, so notepad.exe could be a notepad and
    calc.exe could be a calculator.

    The result was that when you attach to a remote drive and open a =
directory,
    windows has to touch each and every stupid file to retreive the icon =
data if
    available. When newshell came out we called this effect iconitis =
because
    when done over a modem it was painfully slow. Course the guys who =
wrote and
    tested it never noticed because they were all working on the newest =
and
    fastest machines and networks so what would they care?

    How much do you want to bet the same guys worked on Glass? Well at =
least
    it's not something that can't be turned off, guess they did learn
    something..

    And there's more, in 1997 when I was at MS trying to give them some =
ideas, I
    described a 3D GUI where not only could you stack icons vertically =
and
    horizontally but I described how I wanted to stack them going back =
into the
    screen (perspective) so you could have a stack of rows that looked =
like a
    file cabinet drawers with just the tabs visible. Functional, more =
icons in
    less space type of stuff. Instead we get glass which requires more =
video cpu
    than is available on systems 8 years later and that stupid XP view =
where
    only 20 icons fit on a full screen open folder?

    Geo. (it's not very functional but it looks sooooooo cool... where =
is my
    2x4..)


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It wasn't sensitive in the newshell, it =
took a long=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for vista thumbnails, great, I've =
seen that in=20
action in XP when I would open a directory full of video files and the =
stupid=20
thing would&nbsp;default to thumbnail view and take 10 minutes to = display
the=20
directory.. Now it gets extended to documents and everything else, = wonderful
I=20
can't wait.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know what would be helpful, if they =
would=20
multithread the explorer so that when I open "my computer" where I have = a
bunch=20
of remote attached drives I don't have to wait for the authentication = before
it=20
populates the window, just show a place holder and let a separate thread =

retrieve the remote stuff while the UI responds with what it has now. = Have
they=20
added that yet?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:437408a4@w3.nls.net">news:437408a4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You must not remember =
that you have=20
  complained to me about this many times over the years often together =
with=20
  silly suggestions over how you would optimize it.&nbsp; You have =
probably=20
  forgotten that icon extraction, which is not specific to EXEs, was =
sensitive=20
  to link speed.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure you will have =
more reason=20
  to complain since in Windows Vista there will be more use of =
thumbnails.&nbsp;=20
  Today you get thumbnails for an image file but not a document.&nbsp; =
In=20
  Windows Vista you should see thumbnails for the document too.&nbsp; =
From <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx">http://www=
.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
    <H3><FONT color=3D#008000>Thumbnails </FONT><A =
name=3DThumbnails></A></H3>
    <P><FONT color=3D#008000>New scalable thumbnails are used throughout =
Windows=20
    to show you the actual first page for documents, the actual photo =
for=20
    photos, a screen capture for videos, and album art for individual =
songs. By=20
    previewing the actual contents of a file at a glance, you'll find =
what you=20
    want more quickly without the trial-and-error of opening files to =
preview=20
    them. </FONT></P>
    <P><FONT color=3D#008000>You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers as =
live=20
    icons; when you rest the mouse pointer over a minimized window on =
the Task=20
    Bar; and when you flip through open windows using the features =
codenamed=20
    "Flip" and "Flip 3D".</FONT></P></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:43740176@w3.nls.net">news:43740176@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
ich"=20
    &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net">news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in Windows 98=20
    and<BR>maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows 2000.&nbsp; =
You can=20
    see<BR>screenshots of a translucent calculator at<BR><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp">=
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp</A>.&nbsp=
;=20
    LDDM is<BR>more than that.&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>Yes and it is so typical =
of the=20
    win9x team to go overboard like that. Let me<BR>tell you a little=20
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things that=20
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look=20
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win9x went=20
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they had to=20
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notepad.exe could=20
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result was=20
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