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Text 8793, 173 rader
Skriven 2005-12-23 17:45:52 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 8791 av Don Hills (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Digital media servers, renderers, and control points.
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   I agree that non-technical people don't care what is under the hood.  =
I don't believe either mike or I even suggested this as relevant.  mike =
miller is wrong in his assertion that the mac is ahead of Windows for = simpler
reasons.  His only example is available for both.  There is no = need to look
further.  If you do look further you will find that there = are a number of
products in the same space that not only plug together = but are interoperable
so you can mix and match to suite your needs or = desires.

   The apple product is not what I was describing as proprietary.  The =
apple protocol is to what I was referring.  You can find sites like =
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol that discuss =
reverse engineering it.

   The protocols Microsoft's products in this space use along with those =
of other vendors can be found at http://www.dlna.org/.  There are around = 250
members.  See http://www.dlna.org/about/roster.  The DLNA work = builds upon
the older UPnP standards at =
http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp.  There are 69 = certified
media servers and 28 certified media renderers.  You can find = some at
http://www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices.

Rich

  "Don Hills" <black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn@attglobal.net...
  In article <43ab5e33$1@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
  >     I'm particularly interested in you supporting your claim "Apple =
is
  >so far ahead of the Wintel world in this space that it isn't funny".  =
I
  >suspect you can't.  This is likely typical mike miller noise.

  I've been looking at the solutions available with the condition that =
they
  have to be usable by my young children and non-technical spouse. Once =
I
  stopped looking at it from a computing viewpoint and started looking =
at it
  from an appliance viewpoint, I realised Mike is right - who cares =
what's
  under the lid? It all plugs together and works intuitively, with no =
exposed
  rough edges.

  Before anyone mentions Linux, there's one problem: I'd have to build =
it, I
  can't buy it from my local tech store and plug it in.

  Calling the Apple solution proprietary and closed standards may have =
some
  validity, but it applies equally to Windows XP MCE. Again, like Mike, =
I feel
  Apple is ahead in that their interoperability is better with regards =
to
  streaming media to other playback devices while still retaining DRM.

  --=20
  Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree that non-technical =
people=20
don't care what is under the hood.&nbsp; I don't believe either mike or = I
even=20
suggested this as relevant.&nbsp; mike miller is wrong in his assertion = that
the=20
mac is ahead of Windows for simpler reasons.&nbsp; His only example is =
available=20
for both.&nbsp; There is no need to look further.&nbsp; If you do look =
further=20
you will find that there are a number of products in the same space that =
not=20
only plug together but are interoperable so you can mix and match to = suite
your=20
needs or desires.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The apple product is not =
what I was=20
describing as proprietary.&nbsp; The apple protocol is to what I was=20
referring.&nbsp; You can find sites like <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol">http:=
//www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?RemoteAudioOutputProtocol</A>&nbsp;that=20
discuss reverse engineering it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The protocols Microsoft's =
products in=20
this space use along with those of other vendors can be found at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.dlna.org/">http://www.dlna.org/</A>.&nbsp; There are =
around 250=20
members.&nbsp; See <A=20
href=3D"http://www.dlna.org/about/roster">http://www.dlna.org/about/roste=
r</A>.&nbsp;=20
The DLNA work builds upon the older UPnP standards at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp">http://www.=
upnp.org/standardizeddcps/mediaserver.asp</A>.&nbsp;&nbsp;There=20
are&nbsp;69 certified media servers and 28 certified media = renderers.&nbsp;
You=20
can find some&nbsp;at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices">http://=
www.upnp-ic.org/certification/default.asp#devices</A>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV>"Don Hills" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com">black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn@attglobal.net">news:p6HrDtgaXy7S092yn@attg=
lobal.net</A>...</DIV>In=20
  article &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:43ab5e33$1@w3.nls.net">43ab5e33$1@w3.nls.net</A>&gt;, =
"Rich"=20
  &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm particularly =
interested=20
  in you supporting your claim "Apple is<BR>&gt;so far ahead of the =
Wintel world=20
  in this space that it isn't funny".&nbsp; I<BR>&gt;suspect you =
can't.&nbsp;=20
  This is likely typical mike miller noise.<BR><BR>I've been looking at =
the=20
  solutions available with the condition that they<BR>have to be usable =
by my=20
  young children and non-technical spouse. Once I<BR>stopped looking at =
it from=20
  a computing viewpoint and started looking at it<BR>from an appliance=20
  viewpoint, I realised Mike is right - who cares what's<BR>under the =
lid? It=20
  all plugs together and works intuitively, with no exposed<BR>rough=20
  edges.<BR><BR>Before anyone mentions Linux, there's one problem: I'd =
have to=20
  build it, I<BR>can't buy it from my local tech store and plug it=20
  in.<BR><BR>Calling the Apple solution proprietary and closed standards =
may=20
  have some<BR>validity, but it applies equally to Windows XP MCE. =
Again, like=20
  Mike, I feel<BR>Apple is ahead in that their interoperability is =
better with=20
  regards to<BR>streaming media to other playback devices while still =
retaining=20
  DRM.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Don Hills&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (dmhills at=20
  attglobaldotnet)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wellington, New=20
Zealand<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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