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Skriven 2005-03-24 05:32:31 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
  Kommentar till text 10208 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Bo Gritz
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24 Mar 05 02:59, Ed Hulett wrote to John Hull:

 John Hull ->> Ed Hulett wrote:
 JH>> 23 Mar 05 00:52, Ed Hulett wrote to Ed Connell:

 JH>>  Ed Connell -> John Hull wrote:
 EC>>>> Hey, John.

 EC>>>>>> Hey, RICHARD.

 RJ>>>>>>> By the way, Commander Codpiece, when governator of Texas, 
 RJ>>>>>>> sign a law allowing doctors to "pull the plug" without 
 RJ>>>>>>> interference from families, etc. when patients such as Shiavo, 
 RJ>>>>>>> are in a persistent vegatative state.

 RJ>>>>>>> Republicans.  They have no shame, they have no morals, they
 RJ>>>>>>> have no ethics.

 RJ>>>>>>> They are the slugs of the political world.

 EC>>>>>> The issue is not pulling the plug.  She can live and breath as
 EC>>>>>> long as she is fed and given water.  If you, Richard Johnson,
 EC>>>>>> were to do without food and water, you would die too.

 JH>>>>> I don't pretend to know what mental condition Terri Schiavo is 
 JH>>>>> in at this moment, but one thing I know for sure is the the 
 JH>>>>> federal government has absolutely no business getting involved 
 JH>>>>> in this issue.

 EC>>>> That has me puzzled.  I can't say with any certainty about her
 EC>>>> condition either.  All I know is what I've heard reported.  On 
 EC>>>> the other hand, I can't
 EC>>>> see why the federal government should not get involved with the
 EC>>>> killing of a
 EC>>>> US citizen.

 JH>>>>> As more and more information comes out on what has already been
 EC>>>> through
 JH>>>>> the cuorts, etc., it seems to me that efforts have already been
 EC>>>> made to
 JH>>>>> improve her condition to no avail.  I also have a very hard 
 JH>>>>> time believing that if she is even partially conherent, that she
 JH>>>>>  wants to continue to live trapped in an unresponsive body, 
 JH>>>>> totally dependent on others for everything.  I would not want to 
 JH>>>>> live that way, and I don't know anybody who would.  I have left 
 JH>>>>> instructions so that such a thing can be done to me.  So have 
 JH>>>>> both my parents and my brother.

 EC>>>> That is fine, but it seems a little far fetched to kill someone 
 EC>>>> on the basis
 EC>>>> of your preferences.

 JH>>>>> Allowing the feds into this, however, is opening a Pandora's 
 JH>>>>> Box that we will regret, no matter what happens to Terri in the 
 JH>>>>> end.

 EC>>>> The Pandora's Box I see is the precident that a spouse can have
 EC>>>> the other spouse killed on his say-so.

 EH>>> Michael Shiavo is engaged to another woman -- they live together
 EH>>> -- they have been engaged for 3 years. All that time he has
 EH>>> remained married to Terry. His claimed compassion for his wife's
 EH>>> wishes is nothing more than selfishness. He wants the insuance
 EH>>> money and the ability to marry his fiance. He's a CAD of the 
 EH>>> worst kind.

 JH>> He may very well be a cad, but that isn't the point.  I don't 
 JH>> think its the money that he's after, however.  If it was just 
 JH>> money, he's had at least two opportunities to become very wealthy 
 JH>> almost instantly simply by agreeing to turn custody over to the 
 JH>> parents.  He had offers ranging from 1 to 10 million from private 
 JH>> donors to do just that and turned them down.  I don't think any 
 JH>> insurance settlement is going to even come close to that.

 EH> He already has a large insurance settlement. His motives are 
 EH> purely selfish. He wants to marry his current fiance without 
 EH> having to divorce his brain-dead wife. It wouldn't look good 
 EH> divorcing Terri while she was lying there vegitating.

What this case really boils down to, is that Terri would have been dead long
ago if her parents had not interfered.  Michael, as the husband, has the legal
right to pull the tube under Florida law.  She has shown no more than the
dimmest recognition in all the time this has been going on according to one
doctor interviewed on WLS radio.  As for divorcing her, how does one do that? 
Michael is her legal guardian and can't represent her and himself both.  He is
stuck by the system as much as she is.

 JH>> Bottom line, though, is that legally he is the only one who can 
 JH>> decide what happens, and the courts are supporting that at both the 
 JH>> state and federal levels.  Even if the USSC takes the case, 
 JH>> according to what I heard on the news this morning, it will likely 
 JH>> support the federal circuit court that refused to issue an 
 JH>> injunction yesterday.

 EH> Actually, there was no living will. He shouldn't have the right to 
 EH> decide to starve his wife to death. It isn't like she requires 
 EH> machines to keep her breathing. All she requires is a feeding 
 EH> tube. To remove that tube and make her go through a long and 
 EH> painful death is inhumane. If someone was found to have starved an 
 EH> animal to death, they'd be put behind bars. Why is it ok, then, 
 EH> for Michael Shiavo to starve his wife to death?

Like it or not, state law in Florida is being followed.  The Florida
legislature has to act to change anything now, and they are not likely to do so
from what I've heard on the news.  Every state has its own set of laws.

Just for the record, I am not advocating for one side or the other.  I am only
trying to wade through the morasse of legal mumbo jumbo and emotional baggage
that has attached to this case.

John 

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