Tillbaka till svenska Fidonet
English   Information   Debug  
OS2PROG   0/36
OS2REXX   0/113
OS2USER-L   207
OS2   0/4786
OSDEBATE   0/18996
PASCAL   0/490
PERL   0/457
PHP   0/45
POINTS   0/405
POLITICS   0/29554
POL_INC   0/14731
PSION   103
R20_ADMIN   1117
R20_AMATORRADIO   0/2
R20_BEST_OF_FIDONET   13
R20_CHAT   0/893
R20_DEPP   0/3
R20_DEV   399
R20_ECHO2   1379
R20_ECHOPRES   0/35
R20_ESTAT   0/719
R20_FIDONETPROG...
...RAM.MYPOINT
  0/2
R20_FIDONETPROGRAM   0/22
R20_FIDONET   0/248
R20_FILEFIND   0/24
R20_FILEFOUND   0/22
R20_HIFI   0/3
R20_INFO2   2849
R20_INTERNET   0/12940
R20_INTRESSE   0/60
R20_INTR_KOM   0/99
R20_KANDIDAT.CHAT   42
R20_KANDIDAT   28
R20_KOM_DEV   112
R20_KONTROLL   0/13077
R20_KORSET   0/18
R20_LOKALTRAFIK   0/24
R20_MODERATOR   0/1852
R20_NC   76
R20_NET200   245
R20_NETWORK.OTH...
...ERNETS
  0/13
R20_OPERATIVSYS...
...TEM.LINUX
  0/44
R20_PROGRAMVAROR   0/1
R20_REC2NEC   534
R20_SFOSM   0/340
R20_SF   0/108
R20_SPRAK.ENGLISH   0/1
R20_SQUISH   107
R20_TEST   2
R20_WORST_OF_FIDONET   12
RAR   0/9
RA_MULTI   106
RA_UTIL   0/162
REGCON.EUR   0/2056
REGCON   0/13
SCIENCE   0/1206
SF   0/239
SHAREWARE_SUPPORT   0/5146
SHAREWRE   0/14
SIMPSONS   0/169
STATS_OLD1   0/2539.065
STATS_OLD2   0/2530
STATS_OLD3   0/2395.095
STATS_OLD4   0/1692.25
SURVIVOR   0/495
SYSOPS_CORNER   0/3
SYSOP   0/84
TAGLINES   0/112
TEAMOS2   0/4530
TECH   0/2617
TEST.444   0/105
TRAPDOOR   0/19
TREK   0/755
TUB   0/290
UFO   0/40
UNIX   0/1316
USA_EURLINK   0/102
USR_MODEMS   0/1
VATICAN   0/2740
VIETNAM_VETS   0/14
VIRUS   0/378
VIRUS_INFO   0/201
VISUAL_BASIC   0/473
WHITEHOUSE   0/5187
WIN2000   0/101
WIN32   0/30
WIN95   0/4277
WIN95_OLD1   0/70272
WINDOWS   0/1517
WWB_SYSOP   0/419
WWB_TECH   0/810
ZCC-PUBLIC   0/1
ZEC   4

 
4DOS   0/134
ABORTION   0/7
ALASKA_CHAT   0/506
ALLFIX_FILE   0/1313
ALLFIX_FILE_OLD1   0/7997
ALT_DOS   0/152
AMATEUR_RADIO   0/1039
AMIGASALE   0/14
AMIGA   0/331
AMIGA_INT   0/1
AMIGA_PROG   0/20
AMIGA_SYSOP   0/26
ANIME   0/15
ARGUS   0/924
ASCII_ART   0/340
ASIAN_LINK   0/651
ASTRONOMY   0/417
AUDIO   0/92
AUTOMOBILE_RACING   0/105
BABYLON5   0/17862
BAG   135
BATPOWER   0/361
BBBS.ENGLISH   0/382
BBSLAW   0/109
BBS_ADS   0/5290
BBS_INTERNET   0/507
BIBLE   0/3563
BINKD   0/1119
BINKLEY   0/215
BLUEWAVE   0/2173
CABLE_MODEMS   0/25
CBM   0/46
CDRECORD   0/66
CDROM   0/20
CLASSIC_COMPUTER   0/378
COMICS   0/15
CONSPRCY   0/899
COOKING   28807
COOKING_OLD1   0/24719
COOKING_OLD2   0/40862
COOKING_OLD3   0/37489
COOKING_OLD4   0/35496
COOKING_OLD5   9370
C_ECHO   0/189
C_PLUSPLUS   0/31
DIRTY_DOZEN   0/201
DOORGAMES   0/2031
DOS_INTERNET   0/196
duplikat   6000
ECHOLIST   0/18295
EC_SUPPORT   0/318
ELECTRONICS   0/359
ELEKTRONIK.GER   1534
ENET.LINGUISTIC   0/13
ENET.POLITICS   0/4
ENET.SOFT   0/11701
ENET.SYSOP   33809
ENET.TALKS   0/32
ENGLISH_TUTOR   0/2000
EVOLUTION   0/1335
FDECHO   0/217
FDN_ANNOUNCE   0/7068
FIDONEWS   23559
FIDONEWS_OLD1   0/49742
FIDONEWS_OLD2   0/35949
FIDONEWS_OLD3   0/30874
FIDONEWS_OLD4   0/37224
FIDO_SYSOP   12847
FIDO_UTIL   0/180
FILEFIND   0/209
FILEGATE   0/212
FILM   0/18
FNEWS_PUBLISH   4208
FN_SYSOP   41525
FN_SYSOP_OLD1   71952
FTP_FIDO   0/2
FTSC_PUBLIC   0/13587
FUNNY   0/4886
GENEALOGY.EUR   0/71
GET_INFO   105
GOLDED   0/408
HAM   0/16054
HOLYSMOKE   0/6791
HOT_SITES   0/1
HTMLEDIT   0/71
HUB203   466
HUB_100   264
HUB_400   39
HUMOR   0/29
IC   0/2851
INTERNET   0/424
INTERUSER   0/3
IP_CONNECT   719
JAMNNTPD   0/233
JAMTLAND   0/47
KATTY_KORNER   0/41
LAN   0/16
LINUX-USER   0/19
LINUXHELP   0/1155
LINUX   0/22013
LINUX_BBS   0/957
mail   18.68
mail_fore_ok   249
MENSA   0/341
MODERATOR   0/102
MONTE   0/992
MOSCOW_OKLAHOMA   0/1245
MUFFIN   0/783
MUSIC   0/321
N203_STAT   902
N203_SYSCHAT   313
NET203   321
NET204   69
NET_DEV   0/10
NORD.ADMIN   0/101
NORD.CHAT   0/2572
NORD.FIDONET   189
NORD.HARDWARE   0/28
NORD.KULTUR   0/114
NORD.PROG   0/32
NORD.SOFTWARE   0/88
NORD.TEKNIK   0/58
NORD   0/453
OCCULT_CHAT   0/93
OS2BBS   0/787
OS2DOSBBS   0/580
OS2HW   0/42
OS2INET   0/37
OS2LAN   0/134
Möte POLITICS, 29554 texter
 lista första sista föregående nästa
Text 11144, 126 rader
Skriven 2005-04-07 20:16:40 av MARNIE TROSCLAIR (1:10/345)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHN HULL
Ärende: THE ECOSYSTEM
=====================

MT> You get excited about one case involving food and water being
MT> denied to one person, yet you can't see how so many more are
MT> being and will be similarly affected by the problems identified
MT> by the scientists who produced this report.

JH> Stuff it.

Ah.  You've arrived at the limit of your ability to discuss this topic
intelligently.  In any event, more propaganda for your consideration:

 Extra, Extra!  The UN Embraces Free Markets!
 By Tim Worstall

 A completely shocking report comes from the United Nations
 today, almost unbelievable in its implications for us as a species,
 the environment and the rest of the planet.  Called the
 Millennium Ecosystem Assessment you will have  seen it
 splashed across the newspapers, everybody from Xinghua to
 Al Jazeera weighing in, via the Washington Post, Guardian,
 Independent and, well,  here's the Google News search, have
 a look yourself:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Millennium+Ecosystem+Assessme
nt&btnG=Search+News


Now, John, I'll skip over some material in the article which you've 
already seen and get to the unique "stuff."

 I seriously doubt whether there is a sentient being on the planet
 who tries to claim that humanity is having no effect on the
 environment.  The questions have always revolved around how 
 much damage is being done, whether it's actually worth it and if not, 
 what should we do about it?

 If you dig around in the report you find that almost all of the damage
 comes from that well known problem, The Tragedy of the Commons.
 While Garrett Hardin originally applied it to population, it is now
 used as a short hand for the difficulties of dealing with pollution,
 algae blooms, over fishing, water shortages (most especially the
 overmining of aquifers), the destruction of tropical forests and their
 biodiversity....in essence, for the unfolding disasters that the report
 is warning us against.

 This is extremely fortunate, for as Hardin himself pointed out, we
 know how to solve such Tragedies.  When usage of a resource under
 free access rules (sometimes called Marxian rules) starts to degrade
 that resource, the conditions of access need to be changed.  We can
 do this in a social (socialist) or private (capitalist) manner, and
 while different specific resources will require different approaches, 
 either the social or the private method will work at the specific point 
 of restricting usage of the resource.  Which method we choose 
 depends on other things external to the fact that we want and need 
 to limit use of the resource.

 So far we have a report detailing a problem, we understand what the
 root of the problem is, and I've still not told you what is shocking
 about it.  It's that this UN report takes the economically sensible
 path to the solution.  Yes, I know, almost unbelievable isn't it?
 Instead of taking the social route they advocate taking the private
 one, to my utter consternation, meaning that I may have to regard at
 least part of that corrupt and grubby organization as being useful.

 There are four alternative routes to a solution offered, one of them
 described thusly:

 More specifically, in Global Orchestration trade barriers are
 eliminated, distorting subsidies are removed, and a major
 emphasis is placed on eliminating poverty and hunger.

 That is, that environmental degradation would be best reduced by
 more trade, more economic growth and less taxation and interference
 by Governments.

 It's almost as if these people have been reading Iain Murray of these
 pages or something, actually agreeing with the point that free market
 environmentalism actually works, indeed, works better than the
 alternatives.

 A few more almost random quotes to show the way they are thinking:
 (note from Marnie: Check the context)

   * ...[a]wide range of opportunities exists to influence human 
   behavior to address this challenge in the form of economic and 
   financial instruments.  Some of them establish markets; others work 
   through the monetary and financial interests of the targeted social 
   actors; still others affect relative prices.

   * Elimination of subsidies that promote excessive use of ecosystem
   services

   * Greater use of economic instruments and market-based approaches
   in the management of ecosystem services

   * Payment for ecosystem services

   * Mechanisms to enable consumer preferences to be expressed
   through markets

 Now that's what I call shocking and almost unbelievable, that 1,300
 scientists from 95 countries, working under the auspices of the
 United Nations, seem to have drunk the free market Kool-Aid.  
 The end result of this years-long investigation is that us free market
 tree hugger and greenie types are actually correct in our contention
 that it is not the presence of markets, or the failure of markets, that
 leads to the devastation, it is the absence of markets.   Just as we 
 have had to, in centuries gone by, work out a system of  laws that 
 allows markets to flourish, thereby leading to the most efficient 
 usage of resources, so now the task is to do the same for those areas 
 of life where there are no markets.   In water, pollution, fishing
 quotas, tropical forestry, in, in fact, all those sectors where we face 
 the Tragedy of the Commons.

Read all of the article:
http://www.techcentralstation.com/033005H.html


Food for thought, Mr. Hull.




 
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a
 * Origin: BBS Networks @ www.bbsnets.com 808-839-6036 (1:10/345)