Text 13661, 88 rader
Skriven 2005-06-20 21:54:04 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 13653 av John Massey (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: KEEP THE PATRIOT ACT
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John Massey -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 EH>> I would suggest they install PGP or some other incryption software if
 EH>> they wanted their emails to be private. Very few did.

 EH>> Hardly anyone needs to have complete privacy with their email anyway.
 EH>> The majority of email they send and receive is silly jokes and other
nonsense.

 EH>> The only people who need to worry about someone looking in on their
 EH>> daily email are those who really do have something to hide. Of course,
 EH>> that is exactly what the Patriot Act was written for.

 GB>>> FTP is easy to crack. Of course you could use SSH.

 EH>> Few internet users even know what FTP is.

 GB>>> Spyware often routinely keeps track of where you surf, some ISP's even
 GB>>> have software you can install that keeps track of your average
 GB>>> connection speed to websites you travel too. They can easily set that up
 GB>>> without you even being aware.

 EH>> With 4 anti-spyware tools running at all times? ;-)

 GB>>> As I am sure you know, SSL is not engaged and operating in most of your
 GB>>> web activity.

 EH>> Exactly.

 GB>>> Instant messengers are buggy as heck and have had all sorts of security
 GB>>> problems with people being able to take over accounts, or have simple
 GB>>> keystroke copiers send text to them of what you type.

 EH>> Yep. I use Trillian for all my IM needs and also run IMSecure from
 EH>> Zonelabs. Of course, nothing I have to say on IM is worth monitoring
 EH>> anyway. ;-)

 GB>>> And as you pointed out, they can find out where you go through IP's,
 GB>>> then request the ISP forward all incoming and outgoing email to them.
 GB>>> They could send you a trojan horse that could set up shop on your PC and
 GB>>> do or keep track of whatever, all with the cooperation of your ISP, not
 GB>>> to mention spyware they could create and use.

 EH>> Maybe on a case to case basis, but not on a large scale. Most computer
 EH>> savvy people have anti-trojan and anti-spyware software installed making
 EH>> that prospect a last resort at best.

 GB>>> If you use PGP for your email, Adawre, Spybot, Spyware Blaster for
 GB>>> spyware, SSH for FTPing, firewall, anti-virus and just not use instant
 GB>>> messengers, you will probably be safe from their sniffing.

 EH>> At least that's the idea. There are other ways of getting into your
 EH>> system without your knowledge.

 GB>>> But what average user will know to do even a small part of it?

 EH>> The average user has nothing to worry about. The average user isn't
 EH>> likely to be a terrorist.

 JM> While it may not be feasible now, how long before it is?

Point out where the Patriot Act has taken any rights away from the average
American.

 JM> The fact that someone in the government thinks it would be a good idea to
 JM> keep tabs on virtually every thing you do, every banking  transaction,
every
 JM> URL you look at, all on the outside chance that it might be helpful to
some
 JM> LEA, should scare the hell out of anyone that values their  privacy and
 JM> freedom.

The government doesn't have access to my banking transactions, nor do they have
access to yours. They don't keep tabs on everyone's online activities. The
Patriot Act only allows them to look in on the activities of known terrorists.

Take a look at http://FederalistPatriot.US/papers/03-41_paper.asp and see what
The Federalist has to say about it.

If you have some concrete example of how law abiding American citiznes have had
their right infringed by the Patriot Act I will join you in opposing it, but
not until then.

So far, no one has shown your claims to be based in fact.

Ed

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