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Skriven 2005-09-06 23:09:17 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Kommentar till text 15007 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
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Gary Braswell -> John Hull wrote:
GB> John Hull -> BOB SAKOWSKI wrote:
BS>>> Or perhaps what RFK, Jr. was alluding to was the great reduction in
BS>>> funding, beginning in 2003, for the Corps of Engineers rebuilding
JH>> plan for
BS>>> the levees in New Orleans, eh Vern? Perhaps what he said was that
JH>> had this
BS>>> funding not been reduced to 1/6th of that requested by the Corps, the
BS>>> likelihood of the levees failing would have been greatly reduced,
JH>> eh Vern?
JH>> You ignorant ass. They built those levees to withstand a Cat 3 storm
JH>> more than 40 years ago. Don't even TRY to blame that on Bush. In any
JH>> case, the responsibility for the levees protecting New Orleans
GB> falls on
JH>> the city government, not the Feds, and they chose to spend their
GB> udgeted
JH>> funds on welfare and entitlements for the last 40 years. If the
JH>> infrastructure didn't hold up, put the blame where it belongs, not
GB> where
JH>> you wish you could put it.
GB> Estimates are it would cost 20 billion to bring the area up to stand a
GB> cat5 storm. Its doubtful a locality could foot that bill alone. The
GB> state should have helped, as well as the feds. The reduction of funding
GB> made no difference. In fact the Levy Committee, was so corrupt, it had
GB> bought a casino and had taken money and dumped it into business men's
GB> construction projects, who were friends.
GB> Is Bush to blame for it? Of course not.
BS>>> Of course when you show me the quote that says that he blamed Bush
JH>> for the
BS>>> tropical wave forming in the eastern Atlantic, perhaps then I will
JH>> believe
BS>>> you. Of course when you show me the quote that says he blamed Bush
JH>> for
BS>>> that tropical wave growing into a tropical depression, then maybe I
JH>> will
BS>>> believe you. Of course when you can show me the quote that says he
JH>> blamed
BS>>> Bush for the tropical depression growing into a hurricane then
JH>> paerhaps I
BS>>> will believe you.
JH>> Brit Hume quoted a number of Democrats on the news last night - RFK
JH>> among them. For that matter, Rush Limbaugh also quoted RFK, Chuckie
JH>> Schumer, that Clinton Bitch, and a couple of others on his show
JH>> yesterday, shortly after the quotes aired on the various networks. You
JH>> can do whatever kind of dance you want to, but you can't get away from
JH>> the truth.
GB> I don't know about specific quotes from these people, but there is a
GB> least one news article that quotes pro-environmental organizations and
GB> nations as saying the very environmental programs Bush does not support,
GB> would help to reduce the storms.
GB> I find that bogus since huge hurricanes have been ravaging the planet
GB> since long before humans began to affect the environment in any way. We
GB> have been lucky over the last century. Warnings from knowledgeable
GB> meteorologists over the last 3 years of a more active phase have been
GB> largely ignored. People who have been enjoying seafront life, or live
GB> near coasts are going to suffer.
BS>>> Of course if what he said that was that the extent of the catastrophe
BS>>> caused by Katrina was mitigated by Bush having time for a PR trip to
BS>>> California and having time for sitting on his ass in Crawford
JH>> rather than
BS>>> doing his effin' job and getting assets together on call to respond
JH>> to what
BS>>> everyone Vern, EVERYONE said was an impending disaster of biblical
BS>>> proportions, if THAT was what RFK, Jr said then it is difficult
GB> not to
BS>>> agree with him because Bush and his band of F*ckups have screwed
JH>> the pooch
BS>>> so bad as to be totally unbelievable.
JH>> Clinton never spent any time at Camp David, or on "working vacations"
GB> While it has nothing to do with the storm or its after effects, Bush is
GB> the most vacationed President in history.
JH>> eh? You goddamn hypocrite! And don't give me any BS about feeling
GB> all
JH>> sorry for the people who are now in dire straits. 99% of those people
JH>> had 24 hours to clear out of town before the storm closed things down
JH>> and most of them chose to stay. Hell's Bells, even if they didn't
GB> have
JH>> transportation, they could've WALKED far enough out of town in 24
GB> hours
JH>> to be safe now!
GB> There is a lot going on here. Warnings were dire a few days before
GB> landfall. Then shortly before landfall, the storm shifted away from
GB> Louisiana and lost steam and hit with maximum force elsewhere. One of
GB> the major papers had Tuesday's headline as New Orleans dodges the bullet
GB> again. And the storm surge hits and New Orleans goes under.
GB> Reports were that 80% of New Orleans residents, the rich and middle
GB> class, and upper lower class who had cars, fled. Is it any surprise that
GB> the very poor did not or could not leave?
Btw, one of the reporters from Chicago who is down there working said today on
air that when the water goes down, we'll see a whole lot of cars in the
so-called "poor sections" sitting there drowned out. In other words, a large
percentage of those who are claiming they had no way out - did have.
GB> Even walking out would have done them no good, the devastation was
GB> beyond walking distance John. The sick, the weak and the young would
GB> have been left behind in any case and many would not leave those members
GB> of their families.
GB> Would you have?
You bet. I'd do whatever I had to do to get out of town. Hell, I wouldn't be
living there in the first place.
GB> The fact of the matter is government, local, state and federal, pretty
GB> much abandoned the very poor. And is there is there any surprise on
GB> that? The very poor are powerless, often does not vote and largely
GB> illiterate.
No excuse.
GB> Government abandoned them and just figured the whole thing would blow
GB> over in a few days.
GB> Whoops.
GB> Then came the incompetent delay from all levels of government in
GB> response to a catastrophe.
Wrong. Bush tried to get the governor off the dime several times, and she
always needed "more time" to make up her mind. Gen. Honore was in there
kicking ass and taking names within hours of her finally giving the feds the
go-ahead.
BS>>> "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." --
JH>> George W.
BS>>> Bush.
BS>>> What an asshole. What a lying asshole. What a totally
JH>> incompetent, lying
BS>>> asshole.
JH>> I didn't hear ANYBODY saying the levees would break. In fact, when
GB> the
JH>> storm veered a bit east, some of the officials down there,
GB> including the
JH>> media, were talking about how they'd "dodged the bullet again." And
JH>> perhaps you'll remember that the damn levees didn't actually give way
JH>> till the day after the storm passed through. So, tell us again how
GB> its
JH>> Bush's fault that nobody anticipated the levee failure.
GB> There were several mentionings I saw of it, one on Fox as they talked
GB> with the storm center. The man was reluctant to talk about it, but he
GB> flat out said the storm surge could be up to 30' high which would not
GB> just breach the levies, but simply flow over them, inundating the entire
GB> city, drowning anyone not in tall buildings.
GB> There was even talk of the tall buildings coming down to the ground,
GB> Shep on Fox repeated that on his segment.
GB> The fact is no one in government took the warnings seriously. They
GB> thought things would be ok again in a few days.
GB> Even when all the news channels were showing the magnitude of the
GB> crisis, government from the local, state and federal levels were not
GB> watching and ignored that means of intel, and simply dealt with it on a
GB> bureaucratic level, depending on the assessments of people in charge.
So, another apologist for Democratic incompetence, intransigence, and
corruption. I wouldn't trust everything the media was showing either,
especially if you saw some of what passed for journalism that was on the major
networks.
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