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Skriven 2005-09-13 22:34:00 av Darryl Perry (1:106/324)
     Kommentar till en text av John Hull
Ärende: Re: One Thing I've Learned!
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On 09-13-05, John Hull said...
 
JH> Darryl Perry -> Jeff Binkley wrote:
JH>  DP> On 09-12-05, Jeff Binkley said...
JH> 
JH>  DP>>> One thing I've learned from the latest Katrina debacle is that you
JH>  DP>>> just can't depend on the federal government to bail you out of a ba
JH>  DP>>> situation.  The way that FEMA handled a severe natural disaster doe
JH>  DP>>> not make me feel safe WRT homeland security and the War On Terra.
JH> 
JH>  DP>>> One thing I've learned from the latest Katrina debacle is that it i
JH>  DP>>> the  private citizen and private organizations that get things done
JH> 
JH>  JB>> Interesting lesson.  So you've realized socialism is not a good thin
JH> 
JH>  DP> That's not what I said at all.  My statements had nothing to do with
JH>  DP> socialism.  If you have gripes about socialism, then start you own 
JH> thread.
JH>  DP> Don't go trying to hijack mine.
JH> 
JH> Sorry, doesn't work that way.  What you wrote smacked of socialism, which 
JH> why he called you on it.  Seemed that way to me, too.

Socialism is an econimic phenomenon.  I wasn't talking about econimics. 

JH>  DP> The statements I made were critical of the current administrations 
JH> ability
JH>  DP> to protect us from catestrophic events, be they natural or by human
JH>  DP> intervention.  This administration rose to power on the back of 9/11 
JH>  DP> the
JH>  DP> so called 'War on Terror'.  It created a bloated federal agency who's
JH> sole
JH>  DP> purpose in life is to protect us on our 'homeland'.  Basically, this
JH>  DP> administration is showing me that it can't live up to it's promises.
JH> 
JH> Now that's a pure D falsehood.  9/11 didn't take place until 8 months afte
JH> took office.  He was still trying to clean up the mess Clinton left behind
JH> And let's not forget that most of what happened in the month or two after 
JH> took place in a heavily bi-partisan fervor to get even for 9/11.  I will a
JH> remind you that it was Democrat Joseph Lieberman who proposed the bill tha
JH> created DHS, and that it passed in a heavily bi-partisan manner.  So, if 
JH> you're going to start pointing fingers of blame, you'd better point them a
JH> those on both sides and not just the President.

Read what I said again.  I don't don't see that I was pointing a finger at
any one person.  If you are seeing that, then that is a result of you reading
things into my statements that arn't there.   As everybody in this echo is
so quick to point out, the president cannot make all the changes himself. 
Such changes require the legislation from the House and Senate as well as
the white house.  All of which are as eaqually culpable.

JH>  DP> Now, having said that, I don't believe that the federal government OW
JH> any
JH>  DP> such promises to the people.  The problem lies in the fact that the 
JH> people
JH>  DP> feel that they are entitled to such aid from the government.  The cur
JH>  DP> administration plays to that angle and has siezed the opportunity to 
JH>  DP> savior to the masses. Sadly, they don't live up to the hype.  But tha
JH>  DP> ok.
JH> 
JH> And whose fault is it that they have grown to expect that sort of thing?  
JH> is it that created the New Deal "cradle to grave welfare state" that was t
JH> law of the land from the 1930's on?  Who passed the Great Society in the 6
JH> that added several more layers of bureaucracy and tons more of entitlement
JH> 
JH> Liberals created a monstrous junkie that needed constant fixes of cash to 
JH> afloat.  Sooner or later, it all had to come to a crashing halt.  That's w
JH> happened in New Orleans.

And conservatism, the other end of the swinging pendulum, is not the answer
either.  The current administration is heavily conservative, and yet it
defies the concepts of the RNC WRT smaller government vs larger government. 
The size of the government and the bloat just keeps on growing and growing,
and it's effectiveness is diminishing.

JH>  DP> It's not the administration that needs to come tumbling down so much 
JH> it
JH>  DP> is the peoples expectations need to be overhauled.  Once one is achie
JH>  DP> the other will follow.  Naturally, I'm not holding my breath.
JH> 
JH> The best way to fix things is to make sure the liberals never regain power
JH> and continue reforms that encourage all those poor people to stand on thei
JH> own two feet and learn how to do for themselves instead of waiting for the
JH> government dole.

Right now I see that the conservatives are in power and there is no sign
that things are getting better.   Bigger government, corruption, spin,
half-truths, being "on message", the list goes on.  You can't sit there and
tell me that the source of all our woes lies solely at the feet of the
liberals.  There is too much evidence to the contrary.

There has to be something better than what we have available to us then what
we are currently presented with.

Gryphon, aka Darryl Perry
Sysop of Cyberia BBS, Kingwood, TX.
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