Text 26759, 102 rader
Skriven 2007-02-01 22:22:41 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26703 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Presidential race
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John Hull -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 JH> Gary Braswell -> Mimi Gallandt wrote:
 GB>> Mimi Gallandt -> Gary Braswell wrote:
 MG>>> Gary Braswell -> John Hull wrote:
 GB>>>> John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:

 EH>>>>>>>> Just how do we "shut down the border," John?

 JH>>>>>>> It's very simple.  You put up a 14 ft razorwired fence, augmented
 JH>>>>> with
 JH>>>>>>> sensors.  You declare a one mile "no man's land" from the fence
 EH>>>>>> inland.
 JH>>>>>>> You patrol the line with armed UAV's and Army or National
 JH> Guard or
 JH>>>>>>> Border Patrol ground units.  Anyone who breaches the fence gets
 GB>> one
 JH>>>>>>> opportunity to surrender or they get shot.

 EH>>>>>> Oh yeah, that's a realistic plan, John.


 JH>>>>> Why not?  The Minutemen patrolling in Arizona caused a major
 JH> drop in
 JH>>>>> illegal crossings, and they didn't have a fence or any high tech
 GB>>>> gear to
 JH>>>>> help them.  Congress already authorized a fence, or perhaps you
 MG>>> forgot
 JH>>>>> about that.

 GB>>>> The minutemen were shooting anyone as I recall, unlike what you
 MG>>> endorse.
 GB>>>> And I don't think Congress has passed any laws, nor have any border
 GB>>>> states, allowing the shooting of illegals simply for crossing the
 MG>>> border
 GB>>>> either, or have you forgot about that?

 MG>>> It occurs to me that either I missed a law making "the minutemen" a
 MG>>> government organization or they're simply trigger happy civilians
 JH> that
 MG>>> can not wantonly go around shooting people who they believe are
 GB>> breaking
 MG>>> a law.

 GB>> I see I goofed on the above and should have said "The minutemen
 JH> were NOT
 GB>> shooting..."


 EH>>>>>> Actually, it is a synonym for a certain kind of illegal. One
 JH>>>>> specifially
 EH>>>>>> from Mexico. It has been broadened to include virtually *anyone*
 JH>>>>> who has
 EH>>>>>> arrived here from Mexico.

 JH>>>>> Careful, your bleeding heart is getting your keyboard wet.

 GB>>>> Give me a break, John.

 GB>>>> You branding Mexicans wetbacks and advocating them being shot for
 MG>>> simply
 GB>>>> crossing the border shows your heart as well, he heart of a
 MG>>> totalitarian
 GB>>>> state.



 JH>>>>>>> I refuse to use 'illegal immigrant' because they aren't
 GB>> immigrants,
 JH>>>>>>> they're f*cking invaders!

 MG>>> One wonders if John has ever discussed this with an Arapaho, or an
 MG>>> Apache?  Or if he ever discussed it with a Mexican in Colorado,
 GB>> Arizona,
 MG>>> Texas, Nevada, Montana or California. One also wonders if he's aware
 MG>>> that most of the above named places have only been part of the US
 GB>> for a
 MG>>> little over 150 years while all of those places were Native lands for
 MG>>> thousands of years.


 GB>> Interesting point, I had not thought of that.



 JH> I know a number of hispanics who came here through legal channels who
 JH> are just as angry as I am about the way the border crisis is being
 JH> handled.  If anything they are more hard core than I am.

I can understand their anger. I don't see how they could be more hard core than
you. You advocate gunning illegals down.

What do they advocate? Nuking Mexico?

-- 
"We are safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."- George Orwell

"For those dreams taken, here are a few nightmares."
Written on a bomb dropped on Tora Bora.

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