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Skriven 2004-10-20 16:24:57 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
     Kommentar till en text av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
Ärende: Kerry Excommunicated  1/2
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20 Oct 04 14:34, LEE LOFASO wrote to JOHN HULL:

 LL> Hello John,

 JH>>Just picked up this breaking story.

 LL> Ho-hum.  Another silly story by JH.  :)

 JH>>/*Kerry said to be excommunicated*/

 LL> Yep.  Definitely another silly story by JH.  :)

The source is in the article, wise guy.  

 JH>>Los Angeles, Oct. 18 (CWNews.com) - A consultant to the Vatican has 
 JH>>said Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has incurred the 
 JH>>penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.

 LL> Really?  On what basis?

 JH>>The consultant made his statement in a highly unusual letter to 
 JH>>Marc Balestrieri, a Los Angeles canon lawyer who formally sued John 
 JH>>Kerry in ecclesiastical court for heresy.

 LL> Uh-huh.  And what part of Canon Law does the consultant claim is
 LL> applicable?

 JH>>Balestrieri, who launched his case earlier this year by filing a 
 JH>>heresy complaint in Kerry's home archdiocese of Boston, told EWTN's 
 JH>>"World Over" program on Friday that he had received an unusual, 
 JH>>indirect communication fr the Vatican's Congregation for the 
 JH>>Doctrine of the Faith regarding the pro-abortion stance.

 LL> One problem with that statement - John Kerry is not 
 LL> "pro-abortion". At no time has John Kerry ever said he is "pro-abortion". 

 LL> So no matter how many times others might say otherwise, the fact remains 
 LL> that John Kerry is a practical Catholic who views abortion as being a 
 LL> grave sin, in accordance with his Catholic faith.

He most certainly is pro-abortion.

 JH>>That communication provides a basis, he said, to declare that any 
 JH>>Catholic politician who says he is "personally opposed to abortion, 
 JH>>but supports a woman's right to choose," incurs automatic 
 JH>>excommunication. It also provided basis for Balestrieri to broaden 
 JH>>his canonical actions and file additional complaints against four 
 JH>>more pro-abortion Catholic politicians: Democrat Senators Ted 
 JH>>Kennedy of Massachusetts and Tom Harkin of Iowa; Republican Senator 
 JH>>Susan Collins of Maine; and former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, 
 JH>>a Democrat.

 LL> Really?  What part of Canon Law states such a thing?  And what 
 LL> about Tom Ridge, who holds the same position as Kerry?  After all, Ridge 
 LL> is Catholic.  And what about Arnold Schwarzenegger, who also holds 
 LL> the same position as Kerry.  Is he to be "excommunicated" as well?

 LL> Oh, that's right.  Only Catholics who are Democrats can be
 LL> excommunicated.  Never Catholics who are Republicans.  :)

Read the friggin' article, Lee.  As for Canon Law, ask Vern or Stan, they are
both practicing Catholics.  I'm not even catholic.

 JH>>The current action could be significant as it could undercut the 
 JH>>entire deba over denying Communion to pro-abortion politicians. An 
 JH>>excommunicated Cathol may not receive any of the sacraments of the 
 JH>>Church, including the Eucharist marriage, and even Christian burial. 
 JH>>The type of excommunication outlined in the new information is 
 JH>>called /latae sententiae/, which means that it occurs automatically 
 JH>>and does not require a formal pronouncement by any Church official.

 LL> Golly gee.  Where does Canon Law say that Kerry and other 
 LL> Democratic politicians are automatically excommunicated?

 JH>>Balestrieri said he went to Rome in late August to discuss his 
 JH>>canonical cas with experts, including an official of the 
 JH>>Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. Less than 10 days later, he 
 JH>>received a letter from Father Basil Cole, Dominican theologian and 
 JH>>consultant to the congregation based in Washington, DC, who said he 
 JH>>had been "delegated" by Father Augustine DiNoia, undersecret of the 
 JH>>congregation, to give an unofficial response to the question that
 JH>>Balestrieri had submitted.

 LL> This is getting sillier and sillier.  Nowhere does this article 
 LL> say where Canon Law stipulates that Kerry and other Democratic 
 LL> politicians are automatically excommunicated.

Yes, it did.  It quoted the pertinent section.



John 

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