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BF> VH> So we SHOULDN'T have fought the Nazis?

BF>If it had been another countrys internal affair, no, but this certainly wan'
BF>the question here.

Are you saying we shouldn't have fought the Nazis?

BF>And when DID you join? Was it in -41 or -42? What took you so long?

That would make us in action about 60 or more years before Sweden,
right?  :-)

BF> VH> Because both nations collaborated with him.

BF>You don't think we are collaborating with USA now?

No -- you've been trading with nations that sponsor terrorism.

BF>And have done so for over 50 years though we are neutral.
BF>We have had two planes shot down by the Russians due to that!

Two?  A whole 2 airplanes?  Wow!

BF>Did you know THAT?
BF>Are you still saying that we didn't do nothing?

Yes.  I say you did nothing -- so what if a couple of your planes
wandered into Soviet airspace, or vice versa.

You did so little that TWO planes looks like a lot to you. :-)

BF>Our military *is* training with NATO forces and we have signal-tracking plan
BF>in the Baltic Sea sending all info to Pentagon. How does that rime with beei
BF>neutral?

It rhymes with "doing as little as possible and making zero sacrifices
in the common cause."

BF>Just exactly in what did we collaborate with Hitler?
BF>If you are reffering to the trains that was allowed to pass that has beeing
BF>said
BF>WAS a misstake. What else?

You traded with him.  You watched your neighbors -- Norway and Denmark
overrun and didn't lift a finger to help.

BF> VH> Lived and worked there.

BF>It still doesn't give you the right to invade them.

It gives me more experience that you have -- and the War on Terror, plus
Saddam's refusal to keep the terms of the '91 truce gives us the right.

BF> VH> How about go where the problems are and help solve them?

BF>I just remembered that Swedis Air Force has been fighting in Congo with a
BF>division of J 29 "the flying barrel" back in, IIRC, the 60's.

Wow!  Next you'll actually be making faces at the enemy.  What heroism!
What sacrifice!

BF> VH> When Bosnian women were being held in camps and raped by their Serb
BF> VH> guards, didn't you at least feel some urge to go and help them?

BF>How many times do I have to tell you that Sweden doesn't have an army to
BF>do such things?

How many times do I have to tell you that is YOUR fault?  Raise and
equip a decent army and do your share.

BF>BF>>I do undersatand that people get killed.

BF> VH> No, you don't -- when you've been wounded a couple of times, when you'v
BF> VH> seen men next to you kill, THEN you'll understand.

BF>That's about what I said, wasn't it?

So now you claim you HAVE been in combat?  You HAVE been wounded and
HAVE seen men next to you killed?

BF> VH> I'd love to know -- but you've tipped your hand.  If Sweden HAD done
BF> VH> anything -- anything to be proud of -- you'd have told us long before
BF> VH> this. :-)

BF>Did you read that we did shoot down a few Nazi-planes?

Did you read that we shot down thousands?  "A few" simply won't cut it
-- you slacked, skulked, and traded with the enemy -- even while your
neighbors were being overrun.

BF> VH> Actually, several of those nations (Brazil, South Africa, and Columbia)
BF> VH> DID contribute troops to the Allied war effort.

BF>How many and where?

Mostly in battalion to regimental size units (Vernon Walters, one time
UN Ambassador from the United States was the laison officer with a
Brazilian battalion in Italy during WWII.)

Now, that means they sent thousands more troops than Sweden did.

BF>Did they volunteer or did their country send them?

What difference does that make?  Their country sent them.

BF> VH> That's right -- and it's not a problem.  If we DID need to ask the croo
BF> VH> and collaborators before we could act, that would be a problem.

BF>Not for you it isn't but for the invaded country it is but who gives a damn.

Gibberish -- should we have asked Sweden's permission to invade
Germany?

BF> VH> As opposed to Sweden, which refrained from coming to the aid of her fel
BF> VH> Europeans in one crisis after another, choosing instead to collaborate
BF> VH> trade with the enemy because it was good for Sweden?

BF>You still haven't explained what the collaboration was.
BF>Only beeing condemning.

I've mentioned trading with the enemy many times.

BF>BF>>"And this Marine saw what -appeared- to be a man faking death"

BF> VH> Yep -- and did what anyone else with half a brain would have done.

BF>Not anyone.

Anyone who wanted to keep living.

BF>BF>>It's their way of fighting. They don't have any Smart Bombs, helicpoters
BF>BF>>Thomahawks.

BF> VH> And that makes it all right?  It's okay for them to commit crimes like
BF> VH> this?  You endorse terrorism?

BF>No but YOU are fighting in THEIR country and they do whatever they find
BF>necessary to defend it from an intruder.

So you ARE endorsing terrorism -- and pretending war criminals and
terrorists are patriots defending their country!
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