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Skriven 2004-12-08 20:31:00 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHN HULL
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Hello John,

>LL>Dropping atomic bombs saved no lives, given that Japan was ready
>LL>and willing to surrender weeks before.

>FS>Not so!  see above ...

>LL>The reason for dropping two atomic bombs on Japanese cities had
>LL>nothing to do with ending the War in the Pacific.  Japan had
>LL>already offered to surrender conditionally, weeks before the United
>LL>States nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

>FS>It had *everything* with ending that phase of the war!!

>LL>It kept the war from becoming a US/USSR confrontation.

>FS>Fortunately for the Russians -- *if* what you say is true, of
>FS>course.

>LL>I never lie.

JH>Bullshit.  We've caught you on more than one instance.

Well, I do admit to being a bit economical with the truth.  ;)

>LL>So what was the reason?  The United States wanted to send a
>LL>message to Russia.  Truman called up Stalin on the hotline and told
>LL>him, in no unspecific terms, "We have atomic bombs, and are willing
>LL>to use them. This is what happened to two Japanese cities. The same
>LL>will happen to Russian cities if you try to invade northern
>LL>Japan."

>FS>Truman told Stalin face-to-face at the conference they held in
>FS>Teheran(?) after the German surrender.  Stalin already knew of
>FS>the bomb thanks to the traitor Oppenheimer who kept his commie
>FS>friends fully informed.

>LL>Some American generals did not want to stop with the a-bombing of
>LL>Hiroshima and Nagasaki, wanting to do away with Russian cities as
>LL>well. And had Truman listened to those generals, there would be no
>LL>more world today.

JH>More crap, Lee.  First, we didn't have any more bombs to use at that
JH>point;

Maybe we did.  Maybe we didn't.  Either way, we could have made more.
And we did.  Many more.

JH>second, the Russians didn't have the bomb until several years later.

Which was one of the main reasons why some American generals wanted
to nuke Russian cities, even after we nuked two Japanese cities.

>FS>Patton, among others wanted to invade Russia.

>LL>Patton wanted the Nazis to invade Russia.

JH>No, Patton wanted to take his 3rd Army and take them on.  He rightly saw tha
JH>the Soviet Union would be our deadliest enemy within just a few years after
JH>end of WWII.

Patton jokingly said he wanted the Nazis to invade Russia, then we would
do the same, freeing the Russians from the Nazis.

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