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Skriven 2009-05-30 20:05:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Ross Cassell
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 RC>>> What the story elaborates on below is very scary if it can be
 RC>>> upheld..

 DC>> Why?

 RC> It opens the door for Govt to be able to dictate whatever
 RC> else one can do in their homes.

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 RC>>> Just think, on major holidays, one couldnt say grace over a meal
 RC>>> with family and friends without a permit!

 DC>> The story does not say that at all.

 RC> Yes it does, on a basic level this is what they were doing,
 RC> breaking bread and praying together.

 If you have 25 cars parked on the street, they may well have
 reason to ask you to move your cars before you break bread.

 RC>>> If this Pastors get togethers in his home disrupted neighbors,
 RC>>> caused traffic and parking problems, I could see the city getting
 RC>>> him on some ordinance violation.

 DC>> Could it be that that is exactly what the situation is?

 RC> No, because the article elaborates that he needed to pay
 RC> the city for a Major Use Permit, and the city could not

 It was the county, not the city.

 That was the pastor's side. I checked Fox News in San Diego,
 even the article says it was public parking that was the issue.
 The permit was to allow public parking. IOW, you can't run a
 parking lot in a residential area like that. He emphasized the
 small size of the group, but he admitted it hit a high of 27.
 And the county said the parked cars reduced the access for
 emergency vehicles.

 RC> justify that if indeed his gatherings were disturbing or
 RC> inconveniencing the neighbors.

 RC> You cannot obtain a permit to legally disturb your
 RC> neighbors in a residential area, except maybe a building
 RC> permit for home construction or renovation and even so
 RC> there are limits. Like no work after dusk or before dawn.

 The pastor is trying to pass this off as a religious issue, but
 even he said the county cited the parking, not the purpose of
 the gathering.

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 RC> Yes, but such article did elaborate on the Pastor being
 RC> asked to pay for a Major Use Permit, which presumably if
 RC> paid, that would be have been the end of it. If the Pastors
 RC> activities were disturbing the neighbors, there is no way
 RC> in hell that the City would be asking for a fee or a permit
 RC> to do so.

 County. And it was for the parking problem. That's what the
 county says, and the pastor said that's what the county cited.

 ...

 RC> If it were simply a case of disturbing neighbors, such an
 RC> article would not have made it beyond the San Diego
 RC> newspapers much less into them.

 Since it wasn't disturbing neighbors, but obstructing traffic,
 that's moot.

 ...

 RC> and the article would have mentioned that, and this article

 The article told the Pastor's side, didn't it.

 RC> would not have gotten outside of SoCal media and the City
 RC> would not have been asking for a Major Use permit! Instead

 And the article does say he needs the major use permit for
 public parking. And no where does it say he will be allowd to
 block traffic even with that.

 No where does anyone say the county ever said it was for a
 religious meeting. The pastor is claiming that.

 RC> peace. The fact that the city was asking for permit fees
 RC> implies that there was no disturbing the peace going on and
 RC> there is no permit which allows one to disturb the peace.

 Well, actually, there are. Either entertainment or parades can
 disturb the peace.

 DC>> What you have is a minister basically holding church services.
 DC>> There's no reason to not use the regular church for those gatherings.
 DC>> After all, the church would have plenty of parking available so as not
 DC>> to inconvenience the neighbors.  And, from what I was able to find
 DC>> that had anything concrete to say about the matter, it was a fender
 DC>> bender that brought the police into the situation.  My guess is hat
 DC>> thew complaint is about excessive traffic in a residential area as
 DC>> well as using too much parking.

 RC> and how does a major use permit mitigate the traffic
 RC> problem?

 It allows him to have a public parking lot.

 RC> After all, if he pays, he carries on with no further
 RC> interference from the city..

 If he sets up for public parking.

 RC> You do reveal as to how the city found out about the
 RC> gatherings, but fender benders can happen in neighborhoods
 RC> for many reasons. Six months ago, we had a motorcycle
 RC> versus Cadillac wreck, neither operator was enroute to any
 RC> religious gathering.

 Nor did the religious nature have anything to do with it.

 And the fender bender brought it to their attention, he does not
 say it was the reason for the citation.

 RC> This isnt about the City using existing statutes to prevent
 RC> the disturbing of the peace because they asking him to
 RC> purchase a permit to allow it to continue.

 Parking.

 RC> If I threw a pool party there is no permit I could buy that
 RC> would allow me to inconvenience my neighbors or allow my
 RC> guests to hoot and holler etc.. Maybe in the Left Coast
 RC> states, they do have such things?? {SHRUG}

 Unless your pool party blocks traffic.

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 RC> Use common sense Dan, thats all it takes..

 Yes, ask yourself, with 27 people in his house, allowing even
 just 15 cars, on a cul de sac, would a fire truck be able to get
 through? If not, move the cars... now!

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 RC> So this isnt true then?

 Apparently what the pastor claimed is not.

 fox5sandiego.com

 It was right at the top of the page.

 And when you follow the link to the story, theres a link to
 Victoria's Secret Bikinis at the bottom. But I don't really find
 them any more spectacular than any other brand.


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