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Skriven 2009-06-08 13:58:28 av Earl Croasmun (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Bob Klahn
Ärende: RE: Re-examining Torture
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~>  My comment was only on the subject that some Japanese waterboarding
~>  was described, specifically mentioning Chase Neilsen, as
~>  identical to that used by American interrogators in Afghanistan.

Actually that too is untrue.  It was "described" as "identical" by you.  In
the story you cited, Nielsen didn't describe was was DONE to him except to
refer to it as "the water cure."  What he did describe was his REACTION to
what the Japanese did: he felt like he was drowning.  Gee whiz, Bob, WHY
did he feel that way?  It is because he WAS DROWNING.  You have been
educated several times on what the Japanese "water cure" involved, and
either it hasn't stuck in your head or you are ignoring what you know in
order to cover your lies with a plea of ignorance.

~> ~>>  EC> "Nielsen and his fellow prisoners, who were taken to Tokyo,
~> ~>>  EC> were beaten and tortured while being interrogated. Among
~> ~>>  EC> other things, Nielsen said in interviews, bamboo splints
~> ~>>  EC> were shoved under his fingernails and then lighted on fire,
~> ~>>  EC> and the bottoms of his feet were burned with hot coals."
~> ~>>  EC> Yep, that would clearly be torture.  You left that part out.

~>  EC> There was your false claim  that
~>  EC> the four Japanese officers who were convicted of war crimes
~>  EC> were guilty of pouring some cups of water over some plastic
~>  EC> wrap that was placed in such a way that Nielsen couldn't
~>  EC> ingest any of it,.
 
~>  Well, wrong on every point. First because I did not give a
~>  number of Japanese convicted, nor did I restrict it to officers.

Another ignorance plea from you.  He testified against four officers.  They
were convicted.  Now, try to overcome your ignorance by naming the person
or persons who were specifically convicted of waterboarding him in a manner
"identical" to the CIA version of waterboarding.

~>  You did focus on two forms of waterboarding,
~>  and the method used on Chase Neilsen was another method and
~>  identical to the description of that used by the American
~>  interrogatore.

Another made-up "fact," and you have morphed it from its earlier version!

 
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