Text 12546, 149 rader
Skriven 2010-04-01 23:16:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av John Massey
Ärende: Obama Derangement Syndrom
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 RS>>> Nowadays, there's the "Hate Obama At All Costs" groups.

 RS>>> Birthers, teabaggers, crass political operatives, the works.

 DD>> Hey, it's the *real* Ross Sauer - not the pale imitation Ross Sauer as
 DD>> simulated by Ross Cassell. You do realise that the wing-nuts will try to
 DD>> pick
 DD>> this apart, don't you? Quibbling over little details and perceived
 DD>> realities rather than actual form and substance.

 JM> You mean the little details like the very real reality that
 JM> the Democrats would rather use the actions of very few
 JM> people to stir up even further, the division between the
 JM> Republicans and the Democrats.

 There is an entire news channel dedicated to pushing the agenda
 of those birthers and tea baggers and congressmen who push it.
 That is not some few outsiders, that's a big push from the
 right. The Republicans are even giving the tea baggers credit
 for a Senate Election.

 The division between republcans and democrats can't be much
 wider.

 JM> The Democrats are experts at
 JM> using any small thing like this to divert away from what
 JM> they don't want to talk about.  Right now the Democrats do
 JM> not want to talk about:

 And the right is expert at pretending a major twist is a small
 thing.

 JM>     * They don't want to have to defend the revelation that
 JM>     Obama and his family will not be subject to the
 JM>     restrictions, requirements and penalties of ObamaCare.

 Uh... the president has his own medical team.

 Are you willing to defend the fact that Bush got gold plated
 medical care while 45 million had no coverage, and limited care?

 JM>     * They don't want to have to explain how an insurance
 JM>     company can charge lower premiums when its healthier
 JM>     policy holders take a hike and they're forced to insure
 JM>     people who are already sick.

 That is why they have mandated coverage. The only other
 alternative is single payer government medicine.

 Or do you prefer the alternative of uninsured Americans?

 JM>     * They don't want a discussion on how our children and
 JM>     grandchildren are going to pay off the massive debt
 JM>     they will have to overcome courtesy of ObamaCare.

 They won't have to worry, the massive debt going back through
 Gwb to GHWB to Reagan will be enough to worry about.

 Do you want to explain to your grandchildren why they are living
 in a third world country, that used to be the United States of
 America?

 JM>     * They don't want to have to defend the gimmicks they
 JM>     used to force the Congressional Budget Office to
 JM>     falsely report that ObamaCare would reduce the deficit.

 You mean the truth? Or how it will save $1 trillion a year if
 it's pushed to match the Swiss most expensive national health
 care in the world?

 JM>     * They don't want to discuss the logic fining a young
 JM>     person 2.2% of their income if they refuse to buy an
 JM>     insurance policy they think they won't need that would
 JM>     cost them 10% of their income.

 That does seem dumb to me. OTOH, the alternative is single
 payer.

 JM>     * They don't want to have to explain just why ObamaCare
 JM>     will not follow the path of Medicare and the
 JM>     prescription drug benefit ... the path to actual costs
 JM>     over and above projected costs by a factor of 10 or
 JM>     more.

 Yet still saving $1 Trillion/yr at 12% GDP vs 20% GDP.

 JM>     * They don't want to discuss Fidel Castro's glowing
 JM>     endorsement of ObamaCare yesterday.

 IF that's what you have to reach for you just conceeded defeat.

 JM>     * They don't want to discuss just why Democrats
 JM>     absolutely refused to consider simple and easily
 JM>     enforced private sector options, such as allowing
 JM>     insurance companies to sell their policies across state
 JM>     lines, before moving toward healthcare nationalization.

 Possibly because insurance companies already can and do sell
 health care policies across state lines. So you have zero score
 on that one.

 JM>     * They don't want to explain just where in the
 JM>     Constitution they found that nifty little clause that
 JM>     gives the government the authority to use its police
 JM>     power to force a free American citizen to enter into a
 JM>     contract to purchase something from a private company
 JM>     against their will.

 Yeah, go to single payer.

 I am just waiting to see that one brought to the supreme court.
 Any ruling will either put medicare out of business, or lead to
 single payer.

 Oh, and the Swiss do *NOT* have single payer, which is where I
 turned against single payer. Most of the National Health care
 plans in the world are not single payer. At least among the
 industrialized countries.

 JM>     * They don't want to have to explain why Caterpillar
 JM>     has already announced that as many as 1000 workers will
 JM>     lose their jobs after the passage of ObamaCare.

 They didn't? Caterpillar increased their employment in North
 America by 4000 from 2007 to 2008, then dumped 10,000 North
 American Employees, in 2009. If they are going to dump another
 1000 they will use health care legislation as an excuse, but it
 wasn't the reason last year, now was it.

 Caterpillar announced a $100 million charge against earnings, on
 a section that doesn't go into effect until 2014. They claim
 they have to account for it immediately, but what they don't say
 is the cost won't come due for years. And they also don't
 mention the change is closing a tax loophole that let them
 collect a subsidy from the govt on insurance benefits, then
 deduct that subsidy as if they had paid the money themselves.

 Now, do you support that fraud?



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