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Skriven 2010-12-07 05:54:00 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
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Well....at least as of the early part of this past September, ol' Wayne was
alive and still singing his brand of `the blues'!


Not being a reader of the echo this came from, I didn't see it when Wayne
posted it up back then. I only saw it last night when I went on Doc's board
and altered some things in my user account on the way my computer downloads a
packet, and what directory it sends it to. This was one of two messages I
hadn't seen before because I didn't take either echo. I spotted them quite by
accident. The other message is from somebody complaining about my having
refered to Obama as `Hussein'! After all the low-ball names GW Bush was called
in Fido for almost the entire eight years he was president....some goof gets
his nose open because I refered to Obama by one of his `given' names!


In the turmoils of the world......some things never change!


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On 09-19-10, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE said to TIM RICHARDSON:

-=> TIM RICHARDSON wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

TR> On 08-17-10, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE said to MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST:

WC>The post went up by accident.
WC>Never intended.
WC>I'd intended to merely reset message pointers
WC>and forgot a post I written in exasperation.

WC>I'd merely been lurking and reset message pointers.
WC>Having forgotten to delete the post I'd not intended to upload
WC>it went up with the message pointers reset.

WC>Well after I came to the conclusion truth simply
WC>DOES NOT MATTER.

WC>People believe what they are predisposed to believe
WC>and not what may be in fact FACT.

WC>For instance my forecasting BEFORE the 2003 Iraq war there were no
WC>WMD in Iraq based upon factual knowledge I'd uncovered prior to that
WC>fiasco. Primarily through reading material posted by members of the first
WC>term of George W. Bush senior cabinet and intelligence community

WC>As one whose words and demeaner I respect I say the following
WC>on my death bed.

TR> Your *death bed*? How dramatic!


WC>matter of time.
WC>Can't come soon enough for me.

WC>Already FAR too slow.
WC>What to do about food tomorrow?
WC>Living in filth and poverty in the richest nation on Earth,
WC>if you count the top 5 percent and few others.

MVV> Hello Ross,


MVV> On Saturday August 07 2010 18:20, you wrote to me:


RC>>> EP1 would have been a vehicle to bludgeon people with policy for
RC>>> the simple trangression of having a different opinion,
RC>>> regardless of how such differing opinion got expressed.


MV>> We do not see it that way.


RC> OF course you dont.


MVV> Not only do we see it different, the way we see it is diametrically
MVV> opposed to what you write above. In Z1, that has no echomail policy,
MVV> echo moderators are absolute dictators. They can do as they dammed well
MVV> please and ever so often this leads to abuse of power. A good example
MVV> is the eviction of Wayne Chirnside from this echo. You did not evict
MVV> him for repeatedly breaking the rules, you evicted him for not agreeing
MVV> with his life style.  When I asked you what rule(s) he had violated
MVV> that justified his eviction, all I got was a rant about his life style,
MVV> his medical history and his confrontation with the department of
MVV> corrections.


WC>The department of corrections  was not the problem.


WC>Individual police officers in this country either through ignorance,
WC>crualty, mistaken belief in their misconceptions act on their
WC>own without regard to due process of law.


TR> And of course, *you* did nothing whatever, right?

WC>On numerous occassions, NOT AT ALL.
WC>I came to judge the law enforcement community based upon THIER actions
WC>which was contrary to the law of the land.

WC>Once one becomes accustomed to the fact law enforcement has
WC>utter disregard for the law one tends to give less credibility
WC>to the law in general.

WC>I've often wondered per my personal experience and those known to me
WC>with law enforcement in this country if the police might not actually be
WC>responsible for creating more criminal behavior than they prevent.

WC>YEAH, misdomeaner traffic scofflaw.
WC>I ADMIT to that.
WC>AFTER I'd been beaten by police for something I'd never done.
WC>Officer Tossi, Gulfport FL, 1986 who though or mistook me for
WC>Karl ( Carl) Lewis) the Gulfport volunteer fire department employee
WC>that raped and murdered a young woman.
WC>He WAS convicted of that crime.
WC>The officers suffered NO repercussions for the unjustified beating
WC>they gave to me.


WC>AFTER I'd been hung with several traffic violations I'd never been guilty
WC>of. | came to hold the law in low regard, WITH CAUSE.
WC>Been threatened by them.


WC>Power corrupts.

WC>This is I came to be a traffic scofflaw.

TR> A "traffic scofflaw". You freely admit you are a "scofflaw"? Thats on a
TR> par with being an *out*law!

WC>OHH, speeding!!!

WC>And NOT on that occassion.
WC>I was without citation or violation for THREE YEARS at
WC>that point.
WC>Safe driver.
WC>Awarded safe driver by Ace Beauty Supply Co who I'd driven commercially
WC>for the previous two years.

WC>What justifies a cop running me down for no reason at all
WC>November 10, 1990?
WC>After THREE years with not a single traffic citation?
WC>Leaving me a full two inches shorter with spinal stenosis?
WC>Crippled for LIFE in incredible pain?

WC>Denied any medical attention desipte my BEGGING for same.
WC>First time I EVER begged in my life.
WC>Unfortunately NOT the last but NO MORE.

WC>COPS DO THIS.
WC>They TAILGATE in order to elicit a terror response in order to
WC>elicit behavior they can cite a ticket for to increase their score to
WC>advance their career.
WC>It HAPPENS, it's real and it's going to get FAR worse.
WC>There is no accountability.

WC>But all this is SMALL change.
WC>Are you aware EIGHTEEN U.S. servicemen and women commit suicide
WC>EVERY day?
WC>Something perhaps suggests a problem here?

WC>Perhaps something even more than a traffic scofflaw who maintains
WC>he became such due to the legal system being seriously corrupt?

WC>Essentially I came to conclusion the law did not matter as
WC>it was so improperly and wrongly enforced.

TR> You came to this conclusion without benefit of legislature, due process
TR> of law, no input from your fellow citizens?

WC>Nice words but meaningless.
WC>What due process of law?
WC>Eroded by the war on drugs under Nixon utterly elliminated under the
WC>war on terror by Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.
WC>Political party irrelevent.
WC>It's all the same since the military commissions act of 2006
WC>and the citizens united act.

WC>America as I knew it is TOAST.
WC>You and everyone else.
WC>Republican, Democrat, none of that has any meaning
WC>any more.
WC>Oligarchy of the elite untra-wealthy.

WC>I was crippled by a tailgating officer at .6 metres
WC>for over ten blocks on U.S. 19. while riding a motorcycle.


TR> I seem to recall the cop was trying to stop you at the time, and you
TR> were trying to escape and evade a law enforcement officer

WC>As usual, you recall incorrectly.
WC>You LIE.
WC>The officer forced a situation where I was in imminent threat of DEATH.
WC>I had committed no traffic violation at all.
WC>The officer committed many and persistent traffic flagrant violations
WC>of the law, common sense and decency not ending at all
WC>when he and the system declined any and all medical treatment.

WC>How in any case can YOU recall anything at all?
WC>You were not THERE were you and I was.
WC>I've ADMITTED to misdomeaners I did commit.

WC>I will NOT admit to crimes committed upon me
WC>by the police.
WC>As like as not I'd have had a MUCH shorter MISDOMEANER TRAFFIC record
WC>had I not had experiences such as I had by corrupt and
WC>lying officers of the court.
WC>I initially, my first ticket was earned.
WC>dunnit.
WC>The next was not.
WC>Quite a number thereafter were NOT.
WC>Eventually I came to regard the law enforcement community
WC>as uttely corrupt.
WC>Thereafter I came to actually deserve more and more
WC>citations as it seemed to me not to matter as police
WC>cited one upon whim without cause.
WC>Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

WC>Nothing has caused me to alter that view in the last TWENTY YEARS
WC>I've been in incredible pain and disabled.
WC>Currently extreme alcoholic.
WC>Wet brain.
WC>Incapable of even repairing the software
WC>on this computer should it corrupt.

WC>Due to that War on Drugs denied pain medications while junkies across the
WC>hall get stoned out of their minds.
WC>This because I DO NOT engage in illegal narcotics transactions.


TR> Crippled? Lets see......you *walked* into the jail....you *walked* out
TR> of the jail and climbed into the vehicle of the friend you stated had
TR> come to bail you out and take you home (but didn't have him take you to
TR> emergency medical services to treat you), you *walked* into your house.
TR> Hmmmm.....I don't see *crippled* in their anywhere.

WC>Hey Tim, you are an AH.
WC>I've not been to a grocery store THIS MONTH.
WC>Have you seen my MRI?
WC>Of course not.
WC>I HAVE.

WC>Charles Finn, orthopedic surgeon.
WC>Saint Anthonies Hospital Saint Petersburg Florida, 1995.


TR> And where did you get this ".6 metres" thingy? Did you suddenly whip
TR> out a metric tape measure, while speeding along on your motor bike in
TR> your attempt to escape? You think of *everything*, don't you!

WC>TWO feet.

WC>I was working as a PRINTER shortly before the incident in quesion.
WC>I as a matter of routine aligned printing plates to under 1/64th of an
WC>inch by eye.
WC>Two feet is a rather gross  and easy judgement call for one practices
WC>calls of 1/64th - 1/32ths of an inch on a printing press.


WC>I think I can judge TWO FEET when tailgated at that distance on a
WC>motorcycle for TEN BLOCKS between 13th Ave N. and 3rd or 2nd on U.S. 19.

WC>BTW the post you responded to I never intended to send up.
WC>Accident.

WC>Drunk.
WC>Wet brain.
WC>In a real hurry to DIE.
WC>My country has already died or anything I can recognise
WC>that it stood for.
WC>Like that U.S. Constitution thing.


WC>Never been more terrified in my life when I wound up boxed in
WC>between cars all around me so I, justifably in my mind jumped the median

TR> Wow! This is a part of this little tale you never told!

WC>My story has NEVER changed.

WC>In my mind it was completely clear I was imminent threat of death
WC>and nothing over the years has even detracted fromn my arriving at that
WC>reasonable conclusion.


TR> Except for now, of course (you're on your *death bed*, remember?)!

WC>Only too well.
WC>Care to be in the same room with me?
WC>Given the choice I certainly would not.
WC>I STINK to high heaven.

WC>Life in America.
WC>Intense pain.
WC>No relief.
WC>No medication.
WC>Five hundred a month for an apartment that's
WC>not even legally habitable by virtue of health regulations.


WC>Shocked myself in accomplishing it as I'd just ruled out that manauver
WC>as impossible to execute however as the officer was 2 feet off my bumper
WC>when he hit his overhead lights.


TR> Wait a minute! Were you using a metric ruler or foot and inches? You're
TR> switching between two different measuring systems, here. Its getting
TR> confusing.

WC>I can see you are easily confused.
WC>These days so aren't I.

WC>But not back then.
WC>When I went to school I was educated in scientific notation.
WC>Jumped through two years of science in Jr. High in one.
WC>Dealt with radioactive isotopes in Jr, H.S.
WC>Old school, we used slide rules initially.


WC>I'd just made the decision NOT to try something I could not imagine myself
WC>pulling off when hitting the lights by the officer was just the one
WC>stimulus too much for this already TERRIFIED biker.

WC>I was precariously balancing the the bike between the bumpers of the car
WC>in front and the illgally tailgating officer and could only watch the
WC>bumpers.


WC>I'd not have been tailgating myself but not for the officer
WC>repeatedly running up on my back tire or had I an option to pull over
WC>but that blocked by the car alongside.


TR> Easy solution: PULL OVER AND STOP!!!!!!!!!

WC>RETARD.
WC>HOW?
WC>Car in front.
WC>Cop TWO FEET behind the motorcycle.
WC>Car OVERLAPPING car behind AND in front in the middle lane of U.S. 19
WC>and a raised median to the left.
WC>For FIVE BLOCKS that situation persisted before thhe cop ever hit the
WC>lights! Why didn't he BACK OFF.
WC>My head swinging back and forth front to back
WC>trying to just STAY ALIVE for FIVE BLOCKS as I tried to gauge
WC>between the two bumpers.
WC>It was OBVIOUS I was TERRIFIED.

WC>yet in All THESE years not one instant did you ever consider the idea
WC>the COP was at fault and not I.
WC>Why?
WC>Are the police some absolutely perfect species incapable of error or
WC>malice? What planet do YOU  live on?

WC>As I've repeated DOZENS of times over the YEARS, DECADES now,
WC>I am UNABLE to transport myself through solid matter.
WC>Pull over?
WC>How?
WC>Without a Star Trek like matter transporter how does one
WC>drive through solid automobiles?

WC>I ADMITTED to the one terrible traffic crime I DID commit
WC>some five years after this crime committed upon me by the law but
WC>than that was after ANOTHER law enforcement officer committed
WC>a life destroying crime upon my then girlfriend Cynthia.

WC>A single vehicle accident,involving only me, motorcycle DUI the very next
WC>day a police officer, Peter Vaughn, Assaulted my girlfriend Cynthia
WC>August 12, 1995.
WC>TWO LIVES UTTERLY DESTROYED for no reason at all.

WC>Wonder why I flipped and got drunk?
WC>Dana Muntz called the police with a FALSE report we had a weapon.
WC>Dana Muntz, convicted murderer.


WC>Did not even have time or ability to look up so I breezed through
WC>the traffic light at 5th avenue N. never knowing if it was green or red.


WC>Had the car in front tapped his brakes the slightest I'd have died then
WC>and there instead of suffering intolerable pain these near 20 years later.


WC>Crippling pain for near twenty years.


WC>Due to the war on drugs efficacious pain medication is often not
WC>prescribed. by doctors more intent on protecting their licenses to
WC>practice in this environment than the needs of a patients medical
WC>condition. The pain and other circumstances has utterly and completely
WC>warped my mind to the point
WC>I have arrived at today.


WC>I sit, strike that.
WC>Lay here, on a dirty box spring on the floor in a filthy apartment
WC>with the sewer backing up so far a couple of centimeters up the wall
WC>in the shower stall.


WC>In this degree of pain I welcome death however these particular
WC>circumstances it's more than uncomfortable.
WC>It's disgusting in the extreme.


WC>Further.


WC>Three police officers, Peter Vaughn, Beeler and Owens, STARTED
WC>a fight with my former girlfriend.


WC>Well solely Vaughn, Beeler and Owens merely backed their partner up
WC>some minute after Cynthia defending herself had put officer Vaughn
WC>down to the ground.
WC>After one of those officers lost around a full minute laughing his *ss
WC>off before realizing Marine Corp trained Cynthia was actually
WC>putting Vaughn in imminent risk of his life.


WC>I mean that officer tramped into our yard on the word of one
WC>Dana Muntz on a false police report, Muntz a convicted killer.


WC>Then officer Vaughn first threatened to "shoot the dog" despite the dog
WC>never having been a threat to anyone.
WC>He was on a heavy lead held by myself.
WC>Then the officer grabbed Cynthia who had raised her arms
WC>in front of her upon hearing the officers unprovoked threat.
WC>She defended herself all too well as she had been trained.


WC>The dog was heavily leaded, I had him euthanized in 2006 due to ill
WC>health. The dogs behavior record was 100 percent perfect despite his breed
WC>being British Staffordshire Bull Terrier ( Pit Bull)


WC>Yes I actualy once witnessed that well behaved dog torn up by a cat
WC>and the dog never aggressed as well as well over a dozen other dogs.


WC>I elect and chose to make these horribly embarrassing admissions
WC>in this public forum as it does not make a difference any longer to me.


WC>Two lives utterly destroyed needlessly, my own and Cynthias.


TR> You are a piece of work! This little tale would almost be funny if it
TR> weren't so pathetic! On the drugs again, eh?

WC>No drugs AH.
WC>Alcohol.
WC>Lots and lots of alcohol and rarely able to manage to get groceries.

WC>Hope to be dead soon.
WC>My greatest desire.
WC>Ashamed of my fellow countrymen ( sheep) who buy all the BS
WC>fed to them on the mainstream media.

WC>Twelve years ago 60 corporations controlled the mainstreme media
WC>in the U.S., today the number is SIX.

WC>The U.S. dollar is headed to where  the Deuchmark in the Weimar Republic

WC>went. Nixon took us off the gold standard.
WC>Reagan ran the deficit up to all time record.
WC>Clinton passed NAFTA, should have been Fair Trade, NOT free trade.
WC>G.W. Bush DOUBLED the Reagan deficit and then some.


WC>Have a nice day Tim
WC>Live a LONG time.
WC>Long enough to see  the world you _think_ you live in
WC>bite you in the ass.

WC>I've *nothing* to lose but intolerable torment and pain.
WC>Death is most welcome by me.
WC>Desired!
WC>Wanted.
WC>The sooner the better.
WC>F  the oligarchy that controls this country.

WC>Weimar Republic.
WC>Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.




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