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Skriven 2006-07-12 13:15:00 av RICHARD HELM (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB ACKLEY
Ärende: prescription problems
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On 11 Jul 10, BOB ACKLEY wrote to RICHARD HELM:
on the subject: prescription problems 

 RH>>>>> No.  I said that the federal government has no place in public
 RH>>>>> funded education.  It is a state's rights issue. Period.

 DC>>>> Not in the least.  Public education in America precedes the US gvt 
 DC>>>> by over 150 years.  

 BA>>> You're reinforcing what Richard just said.  You actually agree with 
 BA>>> him? 

 RH>> You're joking, right?

 BA> I wasn't.  You said that the federal government has no place in 
 BA> publicly funded education and he said that public education preceded 
 BA> the federal government by 150 years (which is a stretch, 100 maybe). 

 BA> The statements seem to agree, which surprised me since I didn't think 
 BA> you two could agree on the color of the sky.

Apparently we don't.  (See his reply to you)

 RH>> The need for public funded education is built on the concept that for
 RH>> a society to continue the childred must be educated to the level that
 RH>> perpetuates its economic well being.  Since each parent lacks the
 RH>> resourses to provide a complete education a community forms a
 RH>> government to pool the available resourses to fund the education.

 RH>> Three hundred years ago it was as important to the doctor/lawyer that
 RH>> a laborer's child have enough education to be employable as it was
 RH>> for his own children to be educated.  Creating the opportunity for
 RH>> an education does not ensure equal outcome but the society has met
 RH>> its obligations by collectively providing the service.

 RH>> It is well within its right for the community to create a testing
 RH>> method that will allow those with the abilities to continue to
 RH>> advanced education with community funding and at the same time hold
 RH>> the indivdual receiving that education to a service contract for
 RH>> repayment to the community.  Those wealthy enough are still free to
 RH>> provide advanced education for their own as they wish.  

 RH>> One thing that government isn't obligated to do is provide the
 RH>> citizen a profession.  

 BA> And I have no problem with any of this.

 BA> Some could argue, however, about just what education the public 
 BA> schools should be required to provide.  AFAIC, reading, writing, math 
 BA> and history should be about it.  Others will argue that all sorts of 
 BA> other subjects must be included.

Instead of using the term "public schools" how about public funded
education?  

Public schools have become a place that often is not meeting the purposes
that they were created for.  Instead of looking for another provider of
that public funded service, liberals argue to dump more money into an
unrepairable program.

We come back to the purposes of any government.  After providing group
security, what else should the government provide?  There are several in
this forum that expouse the belief that government should do and be
everything to everyone.  I believe that the government should only do what
each citizen is unable to do effectivly by themselves.

A set of rules where the activity of one does not endanger others or the
community as a whole is necessary.  Economics of scale often becomes the
driving factor in creating government services that could be as easily done
by private sourses.  The left argues that without government providing, the
poor wouldn't have anything.  They refuse to give an answer to the
question, what's wrong with that?

As a community, the three "R's" are what we want to buy with our collective
monies.  As a group we decide how much we are willing to spend to receive
those services.  If a provider is able to do that with an agreed amount
then we shouldn't care if, at their own expense, the provider tosses in
other social services. 

Richard 
 rlhelm@radiks.net
 http://rlhelm.home.radiks.net

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