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Text 1780, 228 rader
Skriven 2006-07-19 14:40:00 av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHN MASSEY
Ärende: World War III
=====================
 JM> IS THIS GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO FINALLY WAKE US UP?

 It's proper to give attribution when you use other people's
 writings. Both by custom and law.

 In Fido it's customary to give the link also.

 http://boortz.com/nuze/200607/07172006.html

 JM> What you're seeing in the Middle East right now -- the
 JM> fighting in Lebanon and in Gaza -- are the direct and
 JM> predictable result of Israel's demonstrations of weakness.
 JM> You do not show any sign of weakness to Islamic fascists.
 JM> They will revel in it, and will then attack to press their
 JM> perceived advantage.

 Israel is a lot weaker than you may believe, or even suspect.

 And when did the war between terrorists ever stop, or let up,
 weak or strong? Oh, I know, back when Itzhak Rabin was behaving
 in a way Boortz would consider weak, and negotiating a
 settlement. Of course, that was brought to a halt, a Jewish
 extremist murdered him.

 JM> Israel pulls it's citizens and settlements out of Gaza.
 JM> This Israel does as a show of good faith and an inducement
 JM> to the so-called "Palestinians" to react with a concession
 JM> of their own and move toward a lasting negotiated peace.
 JM> After the Gaza pull out Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert
 JM> remarked that Israel was "tired" and wanted to work harder
 JM> for peace.  Another sign of Israeli weakness.  "We're
 JM> tired.  Please leave us alone."

 Doing the right thing is not a sign of weakness, it's just the
 right thing. Israel was long overdue to pull out of Gaza. Of
 course, Boortz overlooks the real reason Israel pulled out. It
 was either that or annex Gaza, and eventually the West Bank,
 which would have meant the end of Israel as a Jewish state, and
 the reversion back to a Muslim majority in the long run.

 Boortz should have read Sharon's positions on that.

 JM> So ... Islamic terrorists in Gaza build a nice little
 JM> tunnel and use it to attack Israel.

 As a result of that tunnel, two Israeli soldiers were killed,
 and one kidnapped.

 Mexican drug dealers built a nice little tunnel under the US
 border, and used it to smuggle drugs that will kill far more
 American civilians, esp young people, children.

 By Bortz think we should bomb Mexico out of existance. Instead
 Bush is giving concessions to Mexico.

 JM> They kidnap an Israeli
 JM> soldier.  Hezbollah Islamic fascists in Lebanon conduct a
 JM> similar attack from the North.  They kill several Israeli
 JM> soldiers and kidnap two.  These were clear-cut acts of war
 JM> against Israel, and Israel is responding.

 Yes, independent Arab groups kill a handful of Israeli
 *SOLDIERS* and kidnap three *SOLDIERS*.

 In retalliation Isreal kills lebanese and Palestinian civilians.

 So far the reports show 25 Isrealis killed. All the Isrealis
 killed were soldiers before the Israeli attacks on civilians
 started. Now maybe 13 of the Israelis killed are civilians.

 Between 250 and 300 Lebanese have been killed, the majority
 civilians, and about 100 Palestinians.

 Isn't that the Nazi standard, you kill one of ours, we kill ten
 of yours?

 JM> Newt Gingrich says that we and the rest of the world have
 JM> to come to terms that we're in the middle of what he calls
 JM> World War III.  OK, he and I have a bit of a disagreement
 JM> on that.  I believe that the Cold War was World War III,
 JM> and we won.  Small point, so I'll bow to Gingrich on the
 JM> World War III category.

 If we are in WW3, we started it. Iraq was the trigger, and
 Isreal is playing that for all it's worth.

 JM> It's been said that this World War, sometimes called the
 JM> War On Terror, has an enemy that is difficult to define.

 This is not a war on terror, it's a war over oil.

 JM> Nothing could be further from the truth.  We know who the
 JM> enemy is in this world war: it is the savages who practice
 JM> radical Islam.

 And who are few compared to the great majority who do not.

 JM> We know exactly who they are and we know
 JM> exactly where to find them: Iran, Syria, Hezbollah in
 JM> Lebanon and Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza strip.  Let's
 JM> also be sure to mention the Wahabbis of Saudi Arabia and a
 JM> good number of professors in American colleges and
 JM> universities.  This isn't rocket science...it's never been
 JM> more clear exactly who the enemy is and where to find them.

 The Wahabis in Saudi Arabia are a valid target. They have always
 been the major enemy, and they are working through the Saudi
 Government. Always have been. So, take up your war on terror
 with George Bush, who has long been connected to the Saudi
 terror paymasters, both personally and through his family. Never
 forget, GHW Bush was meeting with members of the Bin Laden
 family when 9-11 happened. GW Bush has had Saudi royalty as his
 guests, and them and other Middle Eastern potentates as his
 backers in the oil industry.

 JM> So what should we do?  It's time for the United States,
 JM> Israel and whoever else values freedom and our way of life
 JM> to eliminate radical Islam once and for all.  The time to

 It's time to eliminate the Bush family from American politics
 once and for all.

 JM> speak of toleration, negotiations and appeasement is past.

 No one ever spoke of appeasment, nor toleration of radical
 Islam. Bush and co has refused to admit it's real existance, in
 the heartland of his buddies the Saudis.

 Instead he attacked Iraq, a country where radical Islam had no
 standing at all.

 JM> Israel tried this route, and we clearly see what it bought
 JM> them. Nothing but misery and death at the hands of the
 JM> wonderful, peaceful religion of Islam.

 Isreal has tried nothing but defeating any hope of a Palestinian
 homeland. Greater Isreal is and has always been the goal of the
 current Isreali leadership.

 JM> Radical Islam needs to be eliminated from the face of the
 JM> Earth.  This must be done militarily, not through any more
 JM> failed negotiations.

 The only way that can be accomplished is by mass murder of
 conventional Muslims. Declare a crusade if you want, just expect
 to fight it alone.

 JM> Anything short of total annihilation
 JM> of Islamic fascism is unacceptable.  The radical Islamic
 JM> government in Iran should be toppled and its leaders
 JM> exterminated. Same with Syria.  Israel should be fully
 JM> unleashed and supported in an effort to eliminate Hamas and
 JM> Hezbollah.

 Israel has said they don't want a war with Syria and Iran
 because they have their hands full in Lebanon and Gaza. If two
 relatively small and weak areas like Gaza and Lebanon can tie up
 Isreal's might, how can you "unleash" them to any effect?

 Just like Bush has tied up the US military in Iraq, Isreal has
 gotten themselves into something they may have a hard time
 surviving, lestwise winning.

 JM> It's time for them to breathe their last breath
 JM> and be rewarded with their 72 virgins -- or 72 white
 JM> grapes, as the case may be.

 JM> Unfortunately, that's not what's going to happen.  The
 JM> pro-appeasement forces in the United Nations, Europe and
 JM> the American Democratic Party will call for a halt in the
 JM> fight before the enemy has been erased.  Once again Israel

 The chicken hawks like Boortz will call for crusade, but someone
 else has to fight it.

 JM> will have come close to destroying her enemies, only to be
 JM> sold out by the world community.  Too bad.

 Isreal is spending more time destroying innocent people than her
 enemies.

 JM> Inside Israel we have leftists marching and demanding an
 JM> end to Israel's military moves.  The appeasement left is
 JM> pulling out the same mantras perfected by the left in this
 JM> country.  They're detailing the deaths of women and
 JM> children, and calling for even more negotiations.  Never

 And now Boortz is more Israeli than the Israelis. What makes
 Boortz think he knows more about Israel than those who live
 there?

 JM> mind that the negotiating has been going on for more than
 JM> 50 years.  Any rational observer can quickly see that the
 JM> radical Islamist position on negotiations is that you
 JM> negotiate to buy time, you kill to take the advantage.

 Which happens to be the positions of the radicals in Israel.
 There are radicals in Israel, remember? Who do you think killed
 Itzhak Rabin?

 JM> One idiot protestor in Israel told a reporter "I think that
 JM> Israel should negotiate with Hezbollah and Hamas and
 JM> release Palestinian prisoners in exchange for the hostages.
 JM>  This way this story will come to an end." Yes --- Israel
 JM>  has it's share of leftist idiots too.

 And Boortz knows more about Israel than Israelis? Or does Boortz
 forget Israel has made such exchanges in the past, with far
 fewer casualties among the Israelis.

 JM> This world cannot exist in peace and prosperity as long as
 JM> we approach radical radical Islam with a politically
 JM> correct, Mr. Nice Guy hand-off game plan.  Israel realizes
 JM> what's at stake here, Americans need to be reminded.

 Boortz has no idea how much of Israel agrees with their
 government. We do know there are a good number who do not.
 Boortz can't tell us who the radical Muslims are, so how can we
 destroy them? We know some governments who support the radicals,
 but the biggest is Saudi Arabia, Bush's buddies.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... George W. Bush... first of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
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