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Skriven 2006-07-20 03:05:00 av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av RICHARD HELM
Ärende: prescription problems
=============================
 DC>>> No, the problem is that the teacher learn to teach.  They
 DC>>> really don't get around to learning the subject(s) that
 DC>>> they are teaching.

 BK>>  Not exactly true. At the low elementary level, every body had to
 BK>>  learn it just to graduate. At the more specialized levels, like

 RH> Unfortunately too many graduate without learning.

 Meaningless. Just hire teachers who *DID* learn.

 BK>>  at High school and maybe jr high, the teachers do have to learn
 BK>>  their subjects. Or, should I say are supposed to, all too often
 BK>>  there are no applicants for the jobs with training in the field.

 RH> That is the fault of teacher unions.

 How do you explain the 20 states with 50% or less of teachers
 with union representation? More than that, the 14 states with
 less than 11% union contracts? And even more the three states
 with fractions of 1%? Or, perhaps the 5 states with flat out 0%
 union representation? Why aren't they exempt from the problems?
 Why aren't they perfect?

 BK>>  How many chemists can't make more money in industry than
 BK>>  teaching? Same for physicists.

 RH> Horse shit.  You don't get highly qualified chemists,
 RH> physicists and mathematicians because they lack those silly
 RH> education courses.

 Oh? So all they have to do is take a few courses and you will
 have all the highly qualified chemists you want chosing to teach
 high school instead of earning much more money in the field?

 Or are you in favor of chemists who know their subject
 intimately, and lack even the basic ability to teach it?

 BK>>  I never had a computer teacher with more than a master's degree.
 BK>>  Most were grad students working for the master's. Once they got
 BK>>  that they were out in the field making mucho money.

 RH> You never had a computer teacher in high school.

 In college. They didn't have computers in schools when I was
 there. Now they do. So, if colleges can't get teachers with
 high qualifications to stay for any reason other than to get a
 master's, why would high schools be able to?

 BK>>  OTOH, I never had an astronomy prof with less than a PHD.
 BK>>  Philosophy also. Ok, only had one philosophy prof. But he had 2
 BK>>  PHDs, so that should count double.

 RH> None of that means squat.

 It means you want highly qualified people in the fields of
 study, where the private sector pays well, you have to pay a lot
 more. Which voters don't seem to want to do.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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