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Skriven 2008-04-13 18:38:20 av JOHNJWILSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB KLAHN
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-> ->>  The Catholic Church only holds two major issues in common with
-> ->>  the republicans, abortion and same sex marriage.
-> 
->  J> Same sex marriage sound like an oxymoron...I'm not for
->  J> it...it seems weird...but I'm not against it...there are a
->  J> lot of weird things I approve of...so I think it a case of
->  J> 'live and let live'
-> 
->  Besides which, I have a problem with the govt banning oxymorons.
->  Think about how much will come under that law.

Homeland security? 'Social'security, Department of Justice...
Wow. The list would be endless...Chaos in government! ...uh...would many
notice?

-> 
->  J> On abortion (As I believe you know, following the
->  J> interchange of about 54,000 posts on the subject...I'm not
->  J> wildly enthusiastic about abortion being thought of as a ex
->  J> post fact means of contraception...but I think life after
->  J> birth so much more important that life before it...it
->  J> remains, for me, a womans primary choice. ->
-> 
->  I believe you meant a woman's choice primarily. Her primary
->  choice should be not to get pregnant if she doesn't want to.
->  IMO.
Point taken. 
-> 
-> ->>  Abortion is considered murder, so it is a legitimate matter of
-> ->>  govt concern for those who believe it...
-> 
->  J> Yep. For those who seriously believe that a soul is
->  J> implanted at the time of conception (A belief with at least
->  J> a thousand years of tradition) it would be a wrong act.
->  J> Trying to convince others is also IMO, ok...passing a law is
->  J> not.
-> 
->  And that divide is keeping us from making any progress on the
->  subject. However, the number of abortions can be reduced, with
->  proper policies.
-> 
->  J>  Same sex marriage is
-> ->>  purely a moral issue, and not a legitimate matter for govt
-> ->>  prohibition. It's also a legal and financial matter. Civil
marriages
->  J> are ever more abounding...(Besides, who get to keep the
->  J> kids? :-)
-> 
->  It is a legal and financial matter, but that is a matter of
->  contract law, which I am going to stay out of. As a ceremonial
->  matter, that is not for govt to decide. Again, IMO.
-> 
->  J> Maybe marriage licenses should be, like driver's licenses,
->  J> good for just five years...(Automatic renew if there are
->  J> offspring) ...(Ah, Wilson, yet another brilliant idea...)
-> 
->  We talked that one over in the late '60s. Called it trial
->  marriage. When the conservatives came up with the idea of
->  covenant marriage some years back, one that it would be harder
->  to get out of, I pointed out that would make ordinary marrige
->  de-facto trial marriage.
-> 
-> ->>  Other than that, the Catholic Church is far more aligned with
-> ->>  democratic thinking than Republican...
-> 
->  J> Yeah, a bunch of woosie do-gooders...
-> 
->  J>  And the republicans are
-> ->>  doing nothing about abortion, whereas the democratic policies
-> ->>  are more likely to reduce abortion, even though they don't
-> ->>  forbid it, IMO.
-> 
->  J> Not following it, don't know, don't care.
->  J> 'Likely to reduce abortion' ? How, By writing a LAW? The
->  J> BEST the Govt. can do is to prevent poor folks from getting
->  J> legitimate ones... :-( IMO.
-> 
->  Likely to reduce abortion by reducing the need for it. First by
->  education, second by more jobs, less poverty...

A ood thougt. Education? I thought the U.S. had goven up on that. I
understand a proposal supposed to be a solution was to increase the amount
of loan a student can get. Up to $31,000. Thirty one thousand dollars of
debt to hand a college graduate...
After high school I went to a (Junior) college for two years...tuition
free,
All you had to provide was text-books and there were always used ones you
could pick up...later I got on the G.I. Bill ...if it wern't for THAT I
would be a normal person rather than the distinguished, flawless person I
am, receiving accolades where ever I post. (you might not have noticed.)

 For those to whom
->  abortion is a matter of convenience, that won't matter much. For
->  those to whom abortion is a matter of necessity, it could make a
->  big difference.

 The problem has been around for at least 1500 years...
I thank God/lucky stars/whatever that I never had to be faced with that
problem (I.E., with my family. ...

Clinton said it :Safe, legal and rare. As close as we can come
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