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Skriven 2008-07-10 23:42:00 av Bob Klahn (1:124/311)
     Kommentar till en text av Richard Webb
Ärende: The Black Experience
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BK>>  Chain of custody applies to a set of guidlines intended to
BK>>  insure the evidence was the same taken from the crime scene. I  do
BK>> not believe the samples were ever out of the custody of the
BK>> appropriate people, only that they didn't run it straight from  the
BK>> crime scene to the lab.

 RW> True enough, but then you've got to document this.  THe
 RW> question isn't so much as did they as would there have been
 RW> a possible opportunity to taint the evidence.  Chain of
 RW> custody removes *any* and all doubt. CHain of custody has
 RW> broken quite a few prosecutions last few years iirc.

 If they didn't have a sample of OJ's blood, there was no chance
 to taint the evidence. As to documenting, just have the cops who
 handled the samples write it up.

 RW>> MOst times one would like to assume so.  Another example.
 RW>> Beat cop walking his beat, late at night in the big city.
 RW>> Cop accosts subject who is known criminal, cops has reason
 RW>> to pop off one.  <Ooops> subject is unarmed.  HEy that's
 RW>> why I carry this extra pawnshop special firearm.  Handle it
 RW>> with my gloves, drop it by the body.

BK>>  If the gun was registered to the deceased it would be hard to  say
BK>> it was dropped by the cop. DNA can't just be dropped, it had  to
BK>> come from OJ.

 RW> true, somewhat different, most known criminals would *not*
 RW> be carrying a registerd firearm, and you can be sure the
 RW> throwaway the cop is carrying for just this purpose ain't
 RW> registered anywhere either <g>.

 Yeah, but DNA is naturally registered to the person it came
 from.

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 RW>> neighbors but I'm not going to have the looting and other
 RW>> weirdness that might come to pass after the earthquake or
 RW>> big storm coming to me.

BK>>  That's when you are less likely to have problems. They are more
BK>> likely to come to help you.

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BK>>  That won't be for an earth quake or storm. That will be
BK>>  doomsday.

 RW> YOu might be right, but just in case I survive it, I"m
 RW> prepared.

 Yeah, but try not to practice too much beforehand.

BK>>>  However, this raises the question, why would you require a
BK>>>  warrant? Think about it.

 RW>> Alright, to be honest, once in awhile on a rare occasion
 RW>> I've been known to put something else in my pipe.  IF you

BK>>  Ok, that part makes sense.

 RW> IN a past life, but you never know.  Besides, as stated by
 RW> Bob A.  IT's my constitutional right.


 RW> Btw understand your point about the census in your reply to
 RW> Bo A as well. still they ask too many questions that are
 RW> none of their business. I have a deep level of distrust of
 RW> those who would use the data collected from or about me.
 RW> IN fact, as you've probably gathered, I have a rather deep
 RW> level of distrust.

 RW> <snippage>

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BK>>  You are raising issues not part of the question. Think of it  this
BK>> way. If the police have reason to believe a killer is still  in the
BK>> neighborhood they may want to come into your house to  look for him.
BK>> He could be there without your knowledge. Or you  could be lying to
BK>> the police because he threatened your family.  Or because he is part
BK>> of your family.

 RW> CHances are if he were hiding in my house I'd know it.  SEe
 RW> reference to gun collecttion and ROttweiler.

 Ok, the dog might warn you. The gun collection is little help if
 you don't know he's there.

BK>>  In an emergency they may be a bit brusque because they have  little
BK>> time and a lot to do and lives at stake.

 RW> True enough, and usually I"ll have observed the goings-on
 RW> enough to understand this.  YEs I"ll accompany said officer

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 RW> disrespect is another thing altogether.  IF I"m working
 RW> avessel in trouble on 14300 khz and providing the vital
 RW> link for the skipper with the coasties and you come on and
 RW> ask if the frequency is in use chances are I'm going to be
 RW> rather abrupt with you, but I"m sitll not going to forget
 RW> to tell you thank you for asking.

 I called the coast guard one time when they were working a
 difficult to reach small boat. They told me emergency
 communications were in progress, no further explanation. I told
 them I could receive both sides clearly and could relay. Which I
 did.

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BK>>  Which is not unreasonable, and likely excessive on your part. I
BK>> have not known the police to be unreasonable when I dealt with
BK>> them.

 RW> You haven't lived in inner city NEw ORleans then <grin>.
 RW> THese guys take rude and gestapo tactics to a whole new
 RW> level just to find a homeboy with a dime bag of crack in

 Ok, I've lived quite a few places, but not New Orleans.

 RW> his pocket. IF you reclal, my wife and I managed five
 RW> apartment buildings in inner city NEw ORleans.  I think
 RW> they give classes in how to be rude to citizens as part of
 RW> training down there.

 I had forgotten that part.

 RW> Believe it or not, I have some friends that are officers of
 RW> the law, and they're welcome in my home any time they come
 RW> here. THere are a couple of cops locally I know from my
 RW> work with the local emergency operations center.  ONe of
 RW> them knocks on the door chances are good we're not going to
 RW> have to go through the bit with the verification of the
 RW> badge number etc. because I know who he is.

 Hey Joe, nice to see you. What? You wanna ask some questions?
 Ok, show me your ID.

 I know you're my brother, but you gotta show ID!

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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