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TR>>AH>The warranted search of (accused of accepting bribes) Democratic
TR>>AH>Representative William Jefferson's office has upset legislators
TR>>AH>both Democratic and Republican, ostensibly on Constitutional
TR>>AH>grounds. President Bush has gotten in the middle of the dispute,
TR>>AH>which has upset Justice Department officials who approved the
TR>>AH>warrant.
TR>>AH>What's your take on this? I see no problem with this search,
TR>>AH>Constitutional or otherwise. *adh*
What is with "justice department officials who approved the
warrant"? Does that mean approved lower levels seeking a
warrant? Or is that upper levels directly involved?
TR>>The act of a sitting president holding off a police agency with a
TR>>search warrant for several days, who were investigating the
TR>>suspicious suicide of a man who worked `inside' the White House, only
TR>>opened the lid of Pandora's Box, and now anything can happen.
...
TR>>The goddamn Clintonites came and went in and out of Vince Foster's
TR>>office, obviously combing it for anything and everything of an
TR>>incriminating nature, while the police with a legal search warrant
TR>>were forced to wait outside!
RS>>Rule #1 in the right-wing book:
RS>>BLAME CLINTON!
TR> And nobody.........*nobody* should be above the law. Be it
TR> a Congressman, a U.S. Senator,
TR> or the president of the United States.
Including Bush.
RS>>Even if the story has nothing to back it up.
TR> There was `plenty' to "back it up"......it was a *fact*. It
TR> happened. *You* know it happened. The only way you
TR> *couldn't* know it happened is if you were out of the
TR> country in the South Seas somewhere, when all that
TR> happened! And there's little likelyhood of that now, is
TR> there?
TR> And.....when it did happen, not *you*.....or anyone else in
TR> this echo or any other echo who's habitually on the side of
TR> the `left', regardless of the right or wrong of it, said
TR> one single goddamn fuckin' word of protest about it! Not
TR> one of you!
Only none of us knows what really happened. Too many right
wingnuts spreading too many lies to seperate out the truth. Not
for anyone without access to all the information.
TR> That opened a `Pandora's Box' of `precedent'. If the
TR> president of the United States can defy the law......and
TR> hold off a law enforcement agency who had a legitimate
TR> warrant.........why would anyone be amazed that the guy
TR> from Louisiana is fighting so hard to get all incriminating
TR> evidence returned before it can see the light of day in a
TR> courtroom!
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http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/05/28news.html
Why Vincent Foster can't rest in peace
HOW THE FORMER WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL'S SUICIDE BECAME THE ROSETTA
STONE OF THE SCAIFE-FUNDED RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY INDUSTRY.
BY LORI LEIBOVICH
<http://www.salonmagazine.com/contact/masthead.html> | On July
20, 1993, Vincent Foster was found dead at Ft. Marcy Park in
Northern Virginia with a .38-caliber revolver in his hand. An
autopsy revealed that it was a straight-ahead suicide -- Foster
had placed the gun in his mouth and fired one shot that blasted
through his head. End of story? Not by a long shot. Nearly five
years later, the Foster suicide lives on in the hearts and minds
of right-wing Clintonphobes and conspiracy theorists who believe
that Foster, a close friend and advisor of the president, was
murdered because he knew too much.
A year ago, veteran crime reporter Dan Moldea was surprised by
an offer from Al Regnery, the head of the conservative Regnery
Publishing house, to write a book about the Foster case. Moldea,
an unabashed liberal who had twice voted for Clinton, had also
been scathingly critical of one of Regnery's authors, LAPD
detective Mark Furhman.
<http://www.salonmagazine.com/march97/news/news2970314.html>
Regnery was so impressed with Moldea's exhaustive reporting in
books such as "The Killing of Robert F. Kennedy: An
Investigation of Motive, Means, and Opportunity" and "Evidence
Dismissed: The Inside Story of the Police Investigation of O.J.
Simpson," he wanted Moldea to write the definitive work on the
Foster case. Regnery gave Moldea a $100,000 advance and seven
months to complete his work.
In the resulting book, "A Washington Tragedy: How the Death of
Vincent Foster Ignited a Political Firestorm," Moldea confirms
-- again -- that Foster's death was indeed a suicide and that a
cabal of right-wing groups -- financed by banking heir Richard
Mellon Scaife -- is responsible for keeping the case alive for
years in an effort to tarnish the Clinton White House. Moldea
also blasts the media -- particularly the Wall Street Journal
op-ed page and reporter Christopher Ruddy -- for stoking the
conspiracy fires with specious facts and inflammatory rhetoric.
In an interview with Salon, Moldea also accused Independent
Counsel Kenneth Starr's office of leaking confidential
information to the press, a charge he made during a speech at a
Washington, D.C., public library last Tuesday. Moldea says that
while writing his book he spoke with Starr's chief deputy,
Hickman Ewing, who said he routinely gave information to
journalists sympathetic to the independent counsel's point of
view.
...
I did what no one else had done -- I went to every single cop
involved in this case -- whether he was involved in the crime
scene search or part of the official investigation. I saw all
the crime scene photographs and I saw all the autopsy
photographs. I don't think I was prevented from seeing any of
the documents I wanted to see. I am a bona fide crime reporter
with great -- and loyal -- sources in law enforcement. I've been
doing this for 24 years and you get to know people.
And from those sources and documents it was clear to you that
Foster committed suicide.
...
What was the chief source of the doubts and the resulting
conspiracy theories?
Some mouthy Park Police official, talking about things he knew
nothing about, starts to serve as a source to some reporters
who start publishing front-page stories saying things like
"[former White House counsel] Bernie Nussbaum had removed
documents from Foster's office on the night Foster killed
himself," which is flat-out not true, even though it appeared on
the front page of the New York Times. This teed up the ball for
a lot of other things -- for instance, the next allegation, that
during the official search of Foster's office three piles of
documents were found, which is true, but that Foster's attorney
Jim Hamilton wound up with the Whitewater documents, which is
completely untrue. Again, the ball is teed up and everyone
starts swinging away at it, and it eventually leads to Congress
getting involved, saying the media is raising all these
questions. And it all started with a Park Police source, Major
Robert Hines. And what he said was false.
...
Read an excerpt from Dan Moldea's speech about his dealing with
HIckman Ewing.
http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/05/28speech.html
Copyright © 2000 Salon.com All rights reserved.
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TR> He was even sitting in the house while the search was being
TR> conducted...stuffing documents into a bag! right under the
TR> noses of those who were searching! Fortunately. those were
TR> also looked at....and several pieces of incriminating
TR> evidence were found!
Where did you get that? I have not seen that anywhere. Esp since
it was his office that was searched, not his house.
...
TR> Nobody raised the question of *what* Sandy Burgher had
TR> managed to `destroy' before he was brought up short! Who
TR> `knows' what he perminently wiped out.
Which has nothing to do with anything under discussion, and the
National Archives, run by the Bush administration, said Berger
had access to copies only, not originals.
TR> As for this guy from Louisiana (or any other publicly
TR> elected official, whatever their party affiliation), if
TR> he's guilty of criminal activity and convicted at trial, I
TR> hope they throw the fuckin' book at him.
Including Bush. Oh, and Cheney when it comes out that he was
involved in obstruction of justice in the leak investigation.
And Libby, and Rove.
...
BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
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